BBC Scotland under pressure over online blog censorship

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By a Newsnet reporter
 
BBC Scotland’s online department are coming under increasing pressure to explain their decision to suspend comments from political blogs.
 
Alone amongst BBC broadcast regions the blogs of veteran editor Brian Taylor and Business correspondent Douglas Fraser have been closed down to comments from the general public for months.

By a Newsnet reporter
 
BBC Scotland’s online department are coming under increasing pressure to explain their decision to suspend comments from political blogs.
 
Alone amongst BBC broadcast regions, the blogs of veteran editor Brian Taylor and Business correspondent Douglas Fraser have been closed down to comments from the general public for months.

Last week, media watchdog programme ‘Newswatch’ highlighted the decision by BBC Scotland’s news online editor, Daniel Maxwell, to remove the comment facility from the Scottish online blogs.

Appearing on the show was one of the people who had complained about the decision, John Thomson. 

Mr Thomson echoed the views of many others when he complained that as Scotland was entering one of the most important periods in the nation’s history the opportunity to engage in debate was being closed down by a publicly funded body.

Mr Thomson claimed that commenting on blogs was very often the only way to correct what many people believe to be one sided and sometimes inaccurate political content.

However despite a request to appear on the show to address the complaints, Mr Maxwell refused – sending in a pre-prepared statement instead.

The statement read: “BBC Scotland has decided to disable the capacity for public comments to be regularly appended to both the Brian Taylor and Douglas Fraser online correspondent pages; the pages will, however, occasionally be opened for comment.

“We believe that by determining which particular issues might best be explored by the inclusion of public comment online, we will allow a more flexible and a more adaptable approach to be taken to how we cover the main issues in Scotland.”

The statement itself has prompted fears that BBC Scotland are attempting to corral debate.  Recent items open for online comment have been national in nature which has resulted in Scottish input being diluted.

Prior to the closing down of comments, BBC Scotland came in for strong criticism regarding the moderation of its Scottish blogs.  At one point any mention of Newsnet Scotland resulted in comments being barred and accounts of posters being closed.  In at least one case Newsnet Scotland is aware of the personal details of one independence supporting poster were released to a third party organisation – possibly breaching data protection laws.

The station’s coverage of news and current affairs has also led to complaints from many viewers unhappy at what they believe to be a strong Unionist bias with TV and Radio debates and discussions often heavily loaded with Unionist leaning commentators and politicians.

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  1. There is a feeling that the BBC are biased against independence.Even some unionists I meet accept this is the case.

    • [quote name=”mealer”]There is a feeling that the BBC are biased against independence.Even some unionists I meet accept this is the case.[/quote]
      So true. I got the same word-for-word response two months ago. Just a lot of meaniless drivel. I onder exacly who was the pesrson who made this decision?

    • [quote name=”mealer”]There is a feeling that the BBC are biased against independence.Even some unionists I meet accept this is the case.[/quote]
      So true. I got the same word-for-word response two months ago. Just a lot of meaniless drivel. I onder exacly who was the pesrson who made this decision?

  2. I can understand that newspapers are privately owned and that the print media companies are at liberty to take any political position they wish… I also have the freedom of choice whether I buy their newspaper or not.

    I have no freedom of choice on whether I wish to pay for the BBC if I wish to legally own a TV set.

    This issue clearly demonstrates a serious breech of their contract with me as a consumer. I hope the BBC realise this soon, as it is a situation which could easily end up at the ECHR.

  3. It appears that the EBC have transferred Scottish blogs to one of their English sites.

    11 January 2012 – Comments (481) – Scotland: The question is key

    11 January 2012 – Comments (425) – Scotland: It’s good to talk

    10 January 2012 – Comments (279) – Salmond and Cameron in high-stakes fight

    10 January 2012 – Comments (212) – Scottish independence: Legal battle lines to be drawn

    09 January 2012 – Comments (494) – Scottish independence: Does it take two to separate?

    09 January 2012 – Comments (276) – Coalition to call SNP’s bluff

    [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/correspondents/nickrobinson/[/url]

  4. In other words, they will decide what we’re allowed to comment on, and what we’re not. So no doubt all the anodyne rubbish will open for comment, and anything relevant won’t. There’s no pint in that, BBC. Your bias has been on display for years now, and no-one of a nationalist persuasion believes anything you say any more.

  5. As some of you may be aware, I am now in the process of taking this and my various correspondances and complaints to the BBC to the “final” stage of appeal with the BBC Trust.

    A number of my MSPs, my MP and the Culture Secretary, Fiona Hyslop, have asked to be kept informed of my progress as they have received the same blank prose replies that we all have and the same statement as above.

    If anyone has any information that they would be prepared to contribute to the portfolio that I am preparing, formally or informally, name on or anonymously, I would be happy to receive it at

    chieftain@dial.pipex.com

    I’m looking specifically for items and issues related to the Blogs and their closure. Were you ever modded off the blogs and then re-instated much later after appealing ? (I have been – I’ve never lost an appeal yet !) Did you have your account suspended for “consistently attempting to redirect posters to another webiste in contravention of The House Rules” ? Have you had correspondance with Daniel Maxwell or Iain Small (Stage 1 and Stage 2 “Responses”) and are prepared to share it with me ?

    Can you remember the shut-down during the 2010 GE campaign ? Any tales or correspondance arising from that ?

    Have you any evidence that BBC Scotland have actually opened any specifically Scottish stories to comments after the shutdown ? ( I can’t – I can so far only find stories that originated with other BBC “Nations and Regions” first and that then appear on BBC North Britian )

    I’m not looking for examples of “Pro-Union” bias in the BBC Coverage as anything other than “perceived background”

    I’m delighted that this has got as far as Newswatch – I was in correspondance with the Newswatch team but was originally told that Online Content was outwith their remit.

    OK, it may be micturation into the prevailing weather, but I feel that we have to be seen to play their procedures to the maximum in order that we can shout Foul.

    At a time this week when Independence has leapt to the fore of the “national” Agenda, the inability to comment on the output of the Scottish Political and Economic Editors is nothing short of censorship.

    If anyone feels that they can help with examples or correspondance, please contact me.

    • Chiefy,

      I sent you my initial complaint to the BBC re- the closing of the blogs, but I don’t think I sent you my stage one and two replies from Daniel Maxwell.

      Don’t know how useful they will be but will be happy to send them on to you, I’ll do it later today.

      • TF,

        Thanks for that. I will be interested to see what they say if only to demonstrate that we all got a bulk reply. One of the points that I raised with both Daniel Maxwell and Iain Small throughout was the fact that I felt that I had had a blanket response and that the vast majority of the IMHO substantive issues that I raised at all stages had not been acknowledged or addressed – including the business over the “mistaken” re-opening of BwB on 1st December and the disappearance of this final fling of TGTB from the archives.

        As I say, we’ll see what transpires. The fact that it is now in the general consciousness of a number of our elected representatives and that the Above named Gentlemen and the DG have now had correspondance from “names” on the issue may just make somebody take notice.

        Regards,

        Chiefy.

    • My only thing to add is the following: Do you remember when newsnet had some server problems (or some technical hitches? The BWB blog was open at that time, and a poster (well known for their unionist postings) managed to get a message posted that mentionned newsnet by name (getting it past the automatic filter). The post was making fun of this site. I immediatly commented, noting that the filter semed to have been removed, this comment was visible for about 15 minutes before both posts were removed.

      I did a few tests and noticed that the filter was on the phrase “newsnet Scotland” and not “newsnet”. I am fairly certain (but not absolutely positive) that before this the filter was just on “Newsnet”

      John

    • I’m in a similar situation with Daniel Maxwell, not as advanced as yours. email sent.

      I am enjoying posting on Nick Robinson’s blogs, but whenever ‘our’ end of the argument seems to be winning the approval ratings, they close them down and start a new one.

      To be fair, I’ve only had a couple of posts rejected, and they have left in my criticism of BBC Scotland in most cases.

      Possibly a turf war between departments?

      • Rhymer,

        Try entering the address manually – there seems to be a problem with the link.

        Alternatively, try

        yl40@dial.pipex.com

        (yankee-lima-four-zero, lower case)

        Thanks,

        Chiefy

        Edit: The same problem seems to be cropping up with the other address if accessed by the link – the link is terminating partway through. Try a manual entry.

      • Rhymer,

        Try entering the address manually – there seems to be a problem with the link.

        Alternatively, try

        yl40@dial.pipex.com

        (yankee-lima-four-zero, lower case)

        Thanks,

        Chiefy

        Edit: The same problem seems to be cropping up with the other address if accessed by the link – the link is terminating partway through. Try a manual entry.

    • I have deleted all of my fob off responses from the BBC. However, some time back on Newsnet’s article re the comments made by Deech on BBC Radio 4 there were several fob offs posted by Newsnet readers in the comments section.

      • I too got rid of mine as the only thing that ever varied was the name at the bottom I once remarked on one of the threads here about the size of the department due to the number of different signatures
        There must have been hundreds of complaints about G Campbell as he was removed for a while We took it he had been sent for retraining.That was at the time of the Raoul Moat(?name) murders because he popped up in Cumbria If that time scale helps any to look back on NN

      • I too got rid of mine as the only thing that ever varied was the name at the bottom I once remarked on one of the threads here about the size of the department due to the number of different signatures
        There must have been hundreds of complaints about G Campbell as he was removed for a while We took it he had been sent for retraining.That was at the time of the Raoul Moat(?name) murders because he popped up in Cumbria If that time scale helps any to look back on NN

    • I have deleted all of my fob off responses from the BBC. However, some time back on Newsnet’s article re the comments made by Deech on BBC Radio 4 there were several fob offs posted by Newsnet readers in the comments section.

    • I can only say that just before the item hit the media I had researched and found there were several different complaint proceedures for BBC matters, The BBC, The BBC Trust anD Ofcom for example. On reading through the, (very), small print it came to light they each had responsability for different types of complaint. What’s more they just seemed to bin anything outwith their own field. Then I discovered the ACS, (Audience Council Scotland).
      I shot off a complaint about BBC bias, unhealthy, (for even-handedness), family political connections and the closure of only the Scottish Blogs. They were on festive hols but sent a form reply.
      Then to my surprise I got a nice e-mail from, “Michelle Dunlop” – michelle.dunlop@bbc.co.uk
      Saying she would bring the matter to the attention of the ACS. Within a couple of days the matter was being aird on TV and reported on the media. Coincidence or what? I do not expect I was the only one to complain but the ACS may be the way to go. They have a BBC e-mail address but are an independent panel of members of the public.

      • [quote name=”Auld Bob”]I can only say that just before the item hit the media I had researched and found there were several different complaint proceedures for BBC matters, The BBC, The BBC Trust anD Ofcom for example. On reading through the, (very), small print it came to light they each had responsability for different types of complaint. What’s more they just seemed to bin anything outwith their own field. Then I discovered the ACS, (Audience Council Scotland).
        I shot off a complaint about BBC bias, unhealthy, (for even-handedness), family political connections and the closure of only the Scottish Blogs. They were on festive hols but sent a form reply.
        Then to my surprise I got a nice e-mail from, “Michelle Dunlop” – michelle.dunlop@bbc.co.uk
        Saying she would bring the matter to the attention of the ACS. Within a couple of days the matter was being aird on TV and reported on the media. Coincidence or what? I do not expect I was the only one to complain but the ACS may be the way to go. They have a BBC e-mail address but are an independent panel of members of the public.[/quote]

        I am going to try this one…

        daniel.maxwell@bbc.co.uk

      • [quote name=”Auld Bob”]I can only say that just before the item hit the media I had researched and found there were several different complaint proceedures for BBC matters, The BBC, The BBC Trust anD Ofcom for example. On reading through the, (very), small print it came to light they each had responsability for different types of complaint. What’s more they just seemed to bin anything outwith their own field. Then I discovered the ACS, (Audience Council Scotland).
        I shot off a complaint about BBC bias, unhealthy, (for even-handedness), family political connections and the closure of only the Scottish Blogs. They were on festive hols but sent a form reply.
        Then to my surprise I got a nice e-mail from, “Michelle Dunlop” – michelle.dunlop@bbc.co.uk
        Saying she would bring the matter to the attention of the ACS. Within a couple of days the matter was being aird on TV and reported on the media. Coincidence or what? I do not expect I was the only one to complain but the ACS may be the way to go. They have a BBC e-mail address but are an independent panel of members of the public.[/quote]

        I am going to try this one…

        daniel.maxwell@bbc.co.uk

    • I can only say that just before the item hit the media I had researched and found there were several different complaint proceedures for BBC matters, The BBC, The BBC Trust anD Ofcom for example. On reading through the, (very), small print it came to light they each had responsability for different types of complaint. What’s more they just seemed to bin anything outwith their own field. Then I discovered the ACS, (Audience Council Scotland).
      I shot off a complaint about BBC bias, unhealthy, (for even-handedness), family political connections and the closure of only the Scottish Blogs. They were on festive hols but sent a form reply.
      Then to my surprise I got a nice e-mail from, “Michelle Dunlop” – michelle.dunlop@bbc.co.uk
      Saying she would bring the matter to the attention of the ACS. Within a couple of days the matter was being aird on TV and reported on the media. Coincidence or what? I do not expect I was the only one to complain but the ACS may be the way to go. They have a BBC e-mail address but are an independent panel of members of the public.

    • Hi Chiefy.

      I don’t know if your memory stretches back to the story about my FOI case against the Electoral Commission about Alexander’s dodgy donation, and Rami Okasha’s smear campaign against me.

      My understanding was that a lot of Newsnet followers tried to post about the issue on Taylor’s blogs, and had their posts removed.

      I tried to get access to these posts, not under FOI but under the Data Protection Act. Under the DPA rules I should have been able to get access to any posts that mentioned the smear campaign, even if they didn’t mention me personally, because I could be identified from the information.

      The BBC denied that they had deleted any such posts.

      I don’t know if that is of any relevance to your case, but if it is I would be happy to dig out the correspondence.

    • Hi Chiefy.

      I don’t know if your memory stretches back to the story about my FOI case against the Electoral Commission about Alexander’s dodgy donation, and Rami Okasha’s smear campaign against me.

      My understanding was that a lot of Newsnet followers tried to post about the issue on Taylor’s blogs, and had their posts removed.

      I tried to get access to these posts, not under FOI but under the Data Protection Act. Under the DPA rules I should have been able to get access to any posts that mentioned the smear campaign, even if they didn’t mention me personally, because I could be identified from the information.

      The BBC denied that they had deleted any such posts.

      I don’t know if that is of any relevance to your case, but if it is I would be happy to dig out the correspondence.

    • [quote name=”chiefy1724″]As some of you may be aware, I am now in the process of taking this and my various correspondances and complaints to the BBC to the “final” stage of appeal with the BBC Trust.

      A number of my MSPs, my MP and the Culture Secretary, Fiona Hyslop, have asked to be kept informed of my progress as they have received the same blank prose replies that we all have and the same statement as above.

      If anyone has any information that they would be prepared to contribute to the portfolio that I am preparing, formally or informally, name on or anonymously, I would be happy to receive it at

      chieftain@dial.pipex.com

      I’m looking specifically for items and issues related to the Blogs and their closure. Were you ever modded off the blogs and then re-instated much later after appealing ? (I have been – I’ve never lost an appeal yet !) Did you have your account suspended for “consistently attempting to redirect posters to another webiste in contravention of The House Rules” ? Have you had correspondance with Daniel Maxwell or Iain Small (Stage 1 and Stage 2 “Responses”) and are prepared to share it with me ?

      Can you remember the shut-down during the 2010 GE campaign ? Any tales or correspondance arising from that ?

      Have you any evidence that BBC Scotland have actually opened any specifically Scottish stories to comments after the shutdown ? ( I can’t – I can so far only find stories that originated with other BBC “Nations and Regions” first and that then appear on BBC North Britian )

      I’m not looking for examples of “Pro-Union” bias in the BBC Coverage as anything other than “perceived background”

      I’m delighted that this has got as far as Newswatch – I was in correspondance with the Newswatch team but was originally told that Online Content was outwith their remit.

      OK, it may be micturation into the prevailing weather, but I feel that we have to be seen to play their procedures to the maximum in order that we can shout Foul.

      At a time this week when Independence has leapt to the fore of the “national” Agenda, the inability to comment on the output of the Scottish Political and Economic Editors is nothing short of censorship.

      If anyone feels that they can help with examples or correspondance, please contact me.[/quote]
      I’ve started a thread on Quirkynats for this very purpose. Easier to refer to than on here. 🙂

  6. The BBC in Scotland act as a state sponsored censor. Plain and simple. Fine if we were not asked to pay for the door to be slammed in our face.
    The Scots are a simple people clearly. Happy with this status quo where our ‘betters’, know better and put their hand out for the money. Once they have it in their grasp, they immediately use the other hand to slap us in the face.
    Sort of Dickensian schoolboy treatment for a nation of suckers !.

  7. Posted this on another thread but if you didn’t hear the Rifkind interview it’s worth a listen. Starts around 0815.

    Just listening to GMS on BBC Scotland, Rifkind being given a pretty much unchallenged pop at everything, just talked about Zimbabwe using US dollars in response to G Robertson’s query on Sterling. I think it would be worth dissecting as it really is him saying whatever he likes with no challenge, also said he didn’t believe that the SNP had so many new members ….’they would say that wouldn’t they’. Seems the editorial basis for this interview is the fact he was once a Scottish Secretary, never mind he’s now an English constituency MP. Certainly worthy of complaint.

    • What they do with the likes of Rifkind is invite them on as an ‘elder statesman’ and let them give their opinion. This ‘elder statesman’ tag is reserved to those whose political careers are pretty much done and dusted and aren’t in the heat of the current battle.

      Apparently being given this tag somehow means your meant to have a more ’rounded’ approach and you are free to give opinion without question.

      • Yes but we’re in new territory, he was asked if he would be taking an active role in the debate and he said he would, much like why Darling has been ubiquitous in the media over the weekend. And he is still an MP.

    • Just to reassure you Albalha that Zimbabwe is using USD for transactions. They have done so since hyperinflation rendered the Zim notes worthless(they also use the Rand, Sterling and one or two other local neighbourhood currencies).

      My favourite memory of Mr Rifking was that of his coupon on a poster entitled “The Governor General of Scotland” Not much changes (but it will soon)!

    • Just to reassure you Albalha that Zimbabwe is using USD for transactions. They have done so since hyperinflation rendered the Zim notes worthless(they also use the Rand, Sterling and one or two other local neighbourhood currencies).

      My favourite memory of Mr Rifking was that of his coupon on a poster entitled “The Governor General of Scotland” Not much changes (but it will soon)!

  8. “national in nature” I’m increasingly annoyed by this sort of expression in reference to UK-wide issues. As far as I’m concerned, an issue that affects the whole of Scotland is national in nature.

  9. Mr Maxwell needs to be held to account, but the restoration of the comments sections on the BBC Scotland blogs is not quite enough. It needs to be determined if Maxwell is appying this censorship by his own initiative or if is he under instruction from his superiors at the BBC or even through a direct line of influence from government.

    And why have the BBC Trust not moved on this much quicker. We have had a new head at the BBC Trust for some time now. I anticipated, apparently naively, that this may be a clean sheet for the Trust, but it seems not. When you have the head of the BBC and the head of the BBC Trust sitting side by side in front of a parliamentary committee giving each other moral and verbal support, then you just know it is open to all sorts of fixes.

  10. ” …will allow a more flexible and a more adaptable approach to be taken to how we cover the main issues in Scotland.”

    Indeed.

  11. Don’t truly know why we’re wasting our time complaining, as if the “british” of the BBC wasn’t the archetype for imperialism.

    Why on earth should the turkeys help their demise anyway? Particularly the ones in Pathetic Quay, knowing they are in a transfer priority list, high up in the negotiators “first batch of things to do”.

    The only thing we could do which should be noticed is, a concerted, massive, public withdrawal of Licence payments, including an staged bonfire of them in front of the international press.

    The only thing BBC may be sensitive to is, to be publicly rejected in front of their pals.

    Another thing: The Americans agencies may be plotting another downgrade from AAA status after France, this time closer to home. Say my friend in Wall ST.

    • Hear hear on the withdrawal of licence payments. I’ve been going on about this for years. It’s the only thing that will make any difference.

      A mass act of civil disobedience through refusal to pay might actually attract international media attention.

    • Hear hear on the withdrawal of licence payments. I’ve been going on about this for years. It’s the only thing that will make any difference.

      A mass act of civil disobedience through refusal to pay might actually attract international media attention.

  12. There is another aspect to this matter the (non)input from Audience Council of Scotland over online debate of current affair issues in Scotland and about Scotland.

    ACS has a key priorty, that is ;

    [i]Stimulating citizenship and civil society. The Councils believe the BBC should play a stronger role in facilitating public debate with informed coverage of issues across the UK, and an increasing depth and breadth in the BBC’s international reporting.[/i]

    At the last recorded minutes of a meeting where the ACS met BBC Scotland Excutive in Sept 2011 no mention was made of BBC Scotland’s decision to remove comments from it political blogs.

    Ir raises the question has BBC Scotland ever informed the ACS of this decision, and if it did how did the ACS respond with regard its stated priority over the BBC stimulating citizenship and civil society?

    Are we dealing with instutionally biased organisations with BBC Scotland and the ACS?

  13. I have made numerous complaints to the BBC, through the complaints channel, on the use of loaded language, on reporting accuracy, bias, balance and poor standards of interviewing. It is a sham procedure and an utter waste of time. I am still waiting for a response to some of the complaints. Exposing this situation via sites like Newsnet gets the message out to the public. Complaining to the BBC through their channels is an invitation to let them sweep the stuff under the carpet.

    • [i]Complaining to the BBC through their channels is an invitation to let them sweep the stuff under the carpet.[/i]

      I disagree. Unless we register our complaints and have the reference numbers and the correspondance to back it all up, then they will say “But we have had no complaints about this issue”

      Complaints about loaded language etc. can easily be dismissed as “a matter of interpretation” i.e. you are only saying it’s wrong because you want to hear it to advance your personal agenda.

      If we can demonstrate a number of complaints written in a “neutral” fashion that have been treated as partisan, I feel that we may get somewhere.

      I personally wouldn’t be spending my time on this if I didn’t think that it was worthwhile.

      • Sorry, I have to disagree with you, Chiefy. Until recently, I thought that the serious step of complaining to the BBC would be viewed seriously by the organisation. I regret to confirm that this is simply not the case, and especially so in the case of my complaint about the treatment by J Paxman of a European politician. I have, I regret, never received a satisfactory response and am forced to conclude that this organisation operates with inbuilt disdain for its audience. Internet blogs at least offer the feeling that someone out there is listening. BBC, however, seems deaf.

      • Sorry, I have to disagree with you, Chiefy. Until recently, I thought that the serious step of complaining to the BBC would be viewed seriously by the organisation. I regret to confirm that this is simply not the case, and especially so in the case of my complaint about the treatment by J Paxman of a European politician. I have, I regret, never received a satisfactory response and am forced to conclude that this organisation operates with inbuilt disdain for its audience. Internet blogs at least offer the feeling that someone out there is listening. BBC, however, seems deaf.

      • Chiefy

        I complain on a reguar basis – lack of coverage / imbalance in interviews / technical glitches / “Man in the Street” interviews / order of topics / hearing Gray,Lamont directly then “Brian” tells us what the FM said. It goes on and on – I will continue to complain and have a chunky file – I’ve never had a response of any value.
        I select the topic “Bias” every time.

      • Chiefy

        I complain on a reguar basis – lack of coverage / imbalance in interviews / technical glitches / “Man in the Street” interviews / order of topics / hearing Gray,Lamont directly then “Brian” tells us what the FM said. It goes on and on – I will continue to complain and have a chunky file – I’ve never had a response of any value.
        I select the topic “Bias” every time.

      • Chiefy is right on this.

        We have to complain. It may not be seen to be getting us anywhere, but if they keep mounting up then something will have to be done. Many of us complained when the blogs were taken off air and at least now this situation is being recognised in public.

        The other reason to complain is about the complaints procedure itself. Having to get two replies from the BBC before the issue can be taken to the BBC Trust and that has to be done within a certain time frame. It’s just ridiculous.

        I’ve also had a couple of complaints I’ve made to the Audience Council in Scotland to which i’m still awaiting replies.

        It’s all ammunition to our cause, and if we don’t have this evidence we won’t get anywhere.

        It may seem tedious, but please, I encourage everyone to go through the procedure of getting your complaints off to the BBC and then on receiving an unsatisfactory reply, writing to the BBC Trust and the audience council in Scotland. All of this can be done online through the BBC website.

        Lastly, try and keep out of the trap of ‘bias’. We approached the ‘blog’ shutdowns as a cut in services to the people of Scotland , and only to Scotland as the rest of the UK still ad this facility available. This tactic will get us much further.

      • Chiefy is right on this.

        We have to complain. It may not be seen to be getting us anywhere, but if they keep mounting up then something will have to be done. Many of us complained when the blogs were taken off air and at least now this situation is being recognised in public.

        The other reason to complain is about the complaints procedure itself. Having to get two replies from the BBC before the issue can be taken to the BBC Trust and that has to be done within a certain time frame. It’s just ridiculous.

        I’ve also had a couple of complaints I’ve made to the Audience Council in Scotland to which i’m still awaiting replies.

        It’s all ammunition to our cause, and if we don’t have this evidence we won’t get anywhere.

        It may seem tedious, but please, I encourage everyone to go through the procedure of getting your complaints off to the BBC and then on receiving an unsatisfactory reply, writing to the BBC Trust and the audience council in Scotland. All of this can be done online through the BBC website.

        Lastly, try and keep out of the trap of ‘bias’. We approached the ‘blog’ shutdowns as a cut in services to the people of Scotland , and only to Scotland as the rest of the UK still ad this facility available. This tactic will get us much further.

  14. The spooks (MI5) used to approve/ monitor all BBC appointments.

    That is a matter of fact. What is also a matter of fact is that they take a very keen interest in the activities of the SNP, and may even have been involved in the bungled death of Willie Macrae. Given those facts. It does not take a great leap of the imagination to see how they would take a massive interest in the Cybernats and their on line activities.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/mi5_targeting_the_wrong_people_in_glasgow_1_673949

    http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=945525&site_id=1#import

    The betting is that they are housed next door to the BBC shed on Pathetic Quay, in what is already a government building. The Muslim community are rightly concerned about this, but we Cybernats will be on their radar also. It is not the first time I have had attempts made on the forums I post on to get me to reveal personal details.

    Given all of the above I am convinced that the spooks have a hand in this blog censoring. First the format was changed so that you had a very limited number of words you could post. I had my BBC id changed to a number as I made several attempts at getting the newsnetscotland.com on the forums.

    By their actions they make us stronger.

    Be careful out there.

  15. I think it is Salmond who should be careful.

    As an increasingly prominent and popular figure, bidding for control of, as it says elsewhere in this paper, half of Europe’s oil assets, and one standing out against neocon policies, he may be at some risk.

    I think that this danger is a real one, and things like this actually very odd BBC censorship, where even explanations to readers and now Newswatch amount to blatant stonewalling, are perhaps a sign that those responsible are accountable to a third party who is being protected.

    Paranoia? We don’t need to look too far to find examples of how our worst nightmares of 1984 are proving to be all too real.

  16. It is significant that BBC Wales and BBC N.Ireland political blogs are fully open for comment as well as all the UK political blogs. I very much doubt if the poor creature who supplied that meaningless excuse to Newswatch had any choice in the matter so we must be careful not to shoot the message boys.

    • Its the same excuse that we have been getting since we first started raising the issue – All of the BBC “national and regional” blogs are open to comment except BwB and Douglas Fraser.

      The BBC response continues to be that this is a local editorial decision and that stories will be opened to comment “when appropriate”.

      We complain and we must keep complaining. It is a clear discrimination that for some reason no other “national or regional” blog has taken up and as far as we are aware, BBC Scotland is probably the best resourced of the BBC “Nations and regions”.

    • Its the same excuse that we have been getting since we first started raising the issue – All of the BBC “national and regional” blogs are open to comment except BwB and Douglas Fraser.

      The BBC response continues to be that this is a local editorial decision and that stories will be opened to comment “when appropriate”.

      We complain and we must keep complaining. It is a clear discrimination that for some reason no other “national or regional” blog has taken up and as far as we are aware, BBC Scotland is probably the best resourced of the BBC “Nations and regions”.

  17. Even when Betsan is on leave, the Welsh BBC cover for her and put in a replacement journalist so that there is no gap in political dialogue.
    Slainte Mhor

    • Good Old Betsan ! During the 2010 Shutdown a lot of us started posting there. Damn me, she even read the posts and started to respond to us.

      Then, after the UKGE, the blog was shut down for about 2 months. No rhyme, reason or announcement.

      I drop in occasionally but am wary about starting to post there again in case Betsan is called to Rwm 101 😉 in Cardiff for a spell of Re-Education…

    • Good Old Betsan ! During the 2010 Shutdown a lot of us started posting there. Damn me, she even read the posts and started to respond to us.

      Then, after the UKGE, the blog was shut down for about 2 months. No rhyme, reason or announcement.

      I drop in occasionally but am wary about starting to post there again in case Betsan is called to Rwm 101 😉 in Cardiff for a spell of Re-Education…

  18. Even when Betsan is on leave, the Welsh BBC cover for her and put in a replacement journalist so that there is no gap in political dialogue.
    Slainte Mhor

  19. [quote name=”Hirta”]mark.thompson@bbc.co.uk

    Straight to the top, BBC Director General.[/quote]
    So thats the one we can complain to?

    Nearly all the brit media is rotten, I ve put (polite)comments on many newspapers and BBC articles and they get modded out, The daily mail being one of the worst. After seeing their hilariously ignorant anti SNP rant, it was too easy to ask them questions they didnt like, like since when did the hebrides have all the oil and belonged to Norway, and is the Pound not Scottish aswell as English, or is the union only about England etc etc.

  20. [quote name=”Hirta”]mark.thompson@bbc.co.uk

    Straight to the top, BBC Director General.[/quote]
    So thats the one we can complain to?

    Nearly all the brit media is rotten, I ve put (polite)comments on many newspapers and BBC articles and they get modded out, The daily mail being one of the worst. After seeing their hilariously ignorant anti SNP rant, it was too easy to ask them questions they didnt like, like since when did the hebrides have all the oil and belonged to Norway, and is the Pound not Scottish aswell as English, or is the union only about England etc etc.

  21. Both Brian and Douglas should perhaps be taking things more easily?
    Brian could do with spending time out on the hills and writing some potted histories of his favourite Unionists.
    Both are cynical and sceptical at best.
    Scotland 2012 deserves better.
    Slainte Mhor

  22. Both Brian and Douglas should perhaps be taking things more easily?
    Brian could do with spending time out on the hills and writing some potted histories of his favourite Unionists.
    Both are cynical and sceptical at best.
    Scotland 2012 deserves better.
    Slainte Mhor

  23. BBC has Blocked “Democracy Live” Scotland page.

    I can view video of NI at Stormont, Welsh Assembly, House of Commons ,etc but the BBC News Scotland page ‘democracy live” is BLOCKED.

    WHY

    • Giles,

      This may be local, especially if you are at work. I’m through OK and actually, I normally get blocked from Streaming Media.

      Anyone else getting blocked ?

    • Giles,

      This may be local, especially if you are at work. I’m through OK and actually, I normally get blocked from Streaming Media.

      Anyone else getting blocked ?

  24. BBC has Blocked “Democracy Live” Scotland page.

    I can view video of NI at Stormont, Welsh Assembly, House of Commons ,etc but the BBC News Scotland page ‘democracy live” is BLOCKED.

    WHY

  25. chiefy 1724

    Thanks for answering.

    I’m in the United States and read the UK papers and Newsnet Scotland daily.

    I believe this is being done deliberately by the BBC. No proof as such but very suspicious

    giles

    • Hi Giles,

      I’m sure you know this and may not be a factor, but remember many BBC broadcasts are ‘UK only’. If they detect a foreign IP address it may block the content from streaming.

    • Hi Giles,

      I’m sure you know this and may not be a factor, but remember many BBC broadcasts are ‘UK only’. If they detect a foreign IP address it may block the content from streaming.

  26. chiefy 1724

    Thanks for answering.

    I’m in the United States and read the UK papers and Newsnet Scotland daily.

    I believe this is being done deliberately by the BBC. No proof as such but very suspicious

    giles

  27. I remember posting on the BBC Wales site during the 2910 GE because Brian was…indisposed.

  28. I remember posting on the BBC Wales site during the 2910 GE because Brian was…indisposed.

  29. TartanFever,

    Yes I understand I cant watch the BBC IPlayer here in the States, but I’ve always been able to watch democracy live viewing all the 4 of the British Parliaments assemblies, Commons, Holyrood and Stormont and can still watch 3 of them . Just not Holyrood anymore.

    Watch the others everyday and really miss seeing Holyrood.

    I can go into the Scottish Government website and watch Fisrt minister questions etc.

    My question is have the BBC blocked only Scotland to out side viewers. It would seem so.

    Thanks Tartanfever

    • We may not be watching via BBC iplayer here in Scotland either, Giles, as the BBC are discussing introducing charges for its use, on top of the licence fee.

      • I can’t imagine paying the BBC anymore for their biased reporting.

        Mark Thompson was interviewed here in the States and was asked by ‘charlie rose” A LICENCE TO WATCH TV YOU MEAN LIKE A DRIVERS LICENCE!!!!! then burst out laughing.

        Mark Thompson said very HUFFILY, ok its a TAX.

        was comical. Thanks for the info Teri

      • I can’t imagine paying the BBC anymore for their biased reporting.

        Mark Thompson was interviewed here in the States and was asked by ‘charlie rose” A LICENCE TO WATCH TV YOU MEAN LIKE A DRIVERS LICENCE!!!!! then burst out laughing.

        Mark Thompson said very HUFFILY, ok its a TAX.

        was comical. Thanks for the info Teri

    • We may not be watching via BBC iplayer here in Scotland either, Giles, as the BBC are discussing introducing charges for its use, on top of the licence fee.

  30. TartanFever,

    Yes I understand I cant watch the BBC IPlayer here in the States, but I’ve always been able to watch democracy live viewing all the 4 of the British Parliaments assemblies, Commons, Holyrood and Stormont and can still watch 3 of them . Just not Holyrood anymore.

    Watch the others everyday and really miss seeing Holyrood.

    I can go into the Scottish Government website and watch Fisrt minister questions etc.

    My question is have the BBC blocked only Scotland to out side viewers. It would seem so.

    Thanks Tartanfever

  31. BBC Editorail Guidance:

    5.4.38

    We aim to reflect fully and fairly all of the United Kingdom’s people and cultures in our services.

  32. BBC Editorail Guidance:

    5.4.38

    We aim to reflect fully and fairly all of the United Kingdom’s people and cultures in our services.

  33. BBC Democracy Live.Update

    Just went into the BBC New web page. Clicked on Wales

    Watched LIVE Wales
    Watched LIVE N.Ireland
    Watched LIVE House of Commons
    Watched RECORDED Scotland

    Ok will email BBC again Thanks

    • Giles, just tried them myself.

      Wales has gone to recorded, along with Scotland (still showing recorded from last weeks FM questions).

      The rest are live.

    • Giles, just tried them myself.

      Wales has gone to recorded, along with Scotland (still showing recorded from last weeks FM questions).

      The rest are live.

    • A bit late but ..
      Maybe there was nothing LIVE on at the time I have rarely had a problem with the democracylive site…

    • A bit late but ..
      Maybe there was nothing LIVE on at the time I have rarely had a problem with the democracylive site…

  34. BBC Democracy Live.Update

    Just went into the BBC New web page. Clicked on Wales

    Watched LIVE Wales
    Watched LIVE N.Ireland
    Watched LIVE House of Commons
    Watched RECORDED Scotland

    Ok will email BBC again Thanks

  35. I find this disappointing and think BBC Scotland are being very shortsighted. When we are an independent nation, BBC Scotland will not be the only national broadcaster, if it exists at all. I think with the advent of a new digital channel which indpendence will bring, we may find that the people of Scotland feel they have no longer a need for it. BBC Scotland needs to up its game now, if it is to survive in the near future.

    • There’ll be no BBC in an independent Scotland. To paraphrase a certain saying: ‘Scotland will be free when the last BBC Scotland newsreader is strangled with the last copy of the Scotsman’.

    • There’ll be no BBC in an independent Scotland. To paraphrase a certain saying: ‘Scotland will be free when the last BBC Scotland newsreader is strangled with the last copy of the Scotsman’.

    • The BBC cannot go on as the UK state broadcaster when there is no UK state. As we Scots own part of the BBC I can only assume the BBC will either become the SBC or that the equipments, buildings and offices will become Scottish state possesions. What we do with the staff is quite another thing. Sack most of them I expect. Then there is the other option. A free, paid for by ads, service making use of the BBC’s former equipments. We have paid for the stuff after all. Tell me, what other European country is forced to watch their next door neighbours football leagues? What other country has to wade through reams of text pages just to get their local football teams scores during and after a game? Mind you the Beeb is at fault for if Alba can show live games then the main broadcaster can aford them too. We are, as far as BBC goes second class viewers and listeners. WE have wall to wall pop-music radio stations but lose BBC radio Scotland to get Alba TV. All that trashy music on offer and not a single BBC Scotland on the TV radio. The Scottish football Saturday afternoon fitba program must be the least professional radio broadcast ever. They have a bunch of ignorant yobs all talking at once and screaming their heads of.

    • The BBC cannot go on as the UK state broadcaster when there is no UK state. As we Scots own part of the BBC I can only assume the BBC will either become the SBC or that the equipments, buildings and offices will become Scottish state possesions. What we do with the staff is quite another thing. Sack most of them I expect. Then there is the other option. A free, paid for by ads, service making use of the BBC’s former equipments. We have paid for the stuff after all. Tell me, what other European country is forced to watch their next door neighbours football leagues? What other country has to wade through reams of text pages just to get their local football teams scores during and after a game? Mind you the Beeb is at fault for if Alba can show live games then the main broadcaster can aford them too. We are, as far as BBC goes second class viewers and listeners. WE have wall to wall pop-music radio stations but lose BBC radio Scotland to get Alba TV. All that trashy music on offer and not a single BBC Scotland on the TV radio. The Scottish football Saturday afternoon fitba program must be the least professional radio broadcast ever. They have a bunch of ignorant yobs all talking at once and screaming their heads of.

  36. I find this disappointing and think BBC Scotland are being very shortsighted. When we are an independent nation, BBC Scotland will not be the only national broadcaster, if it exists at all. I think with the advent of a new digital channel which indpendence will bring, we may find that the people of Scotland feel they have no longer a need for it. BBC Scotland needs to up its game now, if it is to survive in the near future.

  37. Derek Bateman Blog open for comment and he provided plenty of ammunition on Saturdays programme. So far only two comments. It is a good opportunity. Reached via BBC Radio Scotland web site, Radio Scotland Blogs; Derek would make an ideal presenter for GMS.

  38. Derek Bateman Blog open for comment and he provided plenty of ammunition on Saturdays programme. So far only two comments. It is a good opportunity. Reached via BBC Radio Scotland web site, Radio Scotland Blogs; Derek would make an ideal presenter for GMS.

  39. I tied to post the following on Derek Batemans blog but i have “insufficient privileges to be allowed to comment.”

    Dear God preserve me Orwell was right. This was the post,I will re register later and try again.

    [quote]WOW! A BBC Scotland blog that allows comments. What is Mr Maxwell afraid of that he censors these comments in this manner? Blether with Brian and the Douglas Fraser blog became very popular with people wanting to comment on day to day Scottish politics, in particular the perceived Unionist bias of the MSM in general and the BBC in particular. Is this why the censoring is happening. The wrong kind of comments?

    This political scandal was covered on the Newswatch programme but Mr Maxwell refused to appear to put his case. It all looks a wee bit grubby. I do hope my post passes the censor department. Thanks Derek.

    [/quote]

    Batemans blog:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radioscotland/2012/01/newsweek-scotland-the-empire-s.shtml

    • The following is from Derek’s blog and I found it to be an astonishing statement.

      [i]Is anybody in any doubt that Labour, the Lib Dems and Tories have formed a pact to resist a second question? It looks rather like it. Or, as Professor John Curtice put it on Newsnight: “it is curious”. He says they want Salmond to lose and be left with nothing. It seems he must be humiliated and damaged because he has been a nuisance to the Tory Government and his clear defeat will leave the way open for Labour to surge back into power at Holyrood (goes the theory).
      So they won’t endorse a second question as a consolation even if Devo Max is something Labour and especially the Lib Dems are likely to promote later. The spanner in their works is that Salmond is still in control of the question and is likely to put which ever combination he wants even after a consultation.[/i]

      They have NO interest in Scotland, ONLY in shafting AS and serving their own selfish party interests.

      Hell mend them all.

    • The following is from Derek’s blog and I found it to be an astonishing statement.

      [i]Is anybody in any doubt that Labour, the Lib Dems and Tories have formed a pact to resist a second question? It looks rather like it. Or, as Professor John Curtice put it on Newsnight: “it is curious”. He says they want Salmond to lose and be left with nothing. It seems he must be humiliated and damaged because he has been a nuisance to the Tory Government and his clear defeat will leave the way open for Labour to surge back into power at Holyrood (goes the theory).
      So they won’t endorse a second question as a consolation even if Devo Max is something Labour and especially the Lib Dems are likely to promote later. The spanner in their works is that Salmond is still in control of the question and is likely to put which ever combination he wants even after a consultation.[/i]

      They have NO interest in Scotland, ONLY in shafting AS and serving their own selfish party interests.

      Hell mend them all.

  40. I tied to post the following on Derek Batemans blog but i have “insufficient privileges to be allowed to comment.”

    Dear God preserve me Orwell was right. This was the post,I will re register later and try again.

    [quote]WOW! A BBC Scotland blog that allows comments. What is Mr Maxwell afraid of that he censors these comments in this manner? Blether with Brian and the Douglas Fraser blog became very popular with people wanting to comment on day to day Scottish politics, in particular the perceived Unionist bias of the MSM in general and the BBC in particular. Is this why the censoring is happening. The wrong kind of comments?

    This political scandal was covered on the Newswatch programme but Mr Maxwell refused to appear to put his case. It all looks a wee bit grubby. I do hope my post passes the censor department. Thanks Derek.

    [/quote]

    Batemans blog:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radioscotland/2012/01/newsweek-scotland-the-empire-s.shtml

  41. I thought In had already posted re Derek Bateman who has a Newsweek Blog which is open for comment reached via Radio Scotland Blogs

  42. I thought In had already posted re Derek Bateman who has a Newsweek Blog which is open for comment reached via Radio Scotland Blogs

  43. The BBC has never been even handed in the independence debate. You normally get a selection of anti-independence guests in the studio to outnumber the SNP member on a video link. Too much of the time we get a view of our nation through ‘London eyes’, whether it be the main news, Question time or even daytime talk shows.

    The problem with the BBC is that it refused to change, or wasn’t allowed to, after devolution. It’s news and current affairs content has become irrelevant to Scots as it focuses on health, education etc in England. What it should have done is also to devolve, allowing BBC Scotland to produce the main news programmes for Scotland not London.

    We are having a referendum on independence despite the BBC and other mainstream media bias against holding it. This says a lot about the maturity and intelligence of the Scottish people and I suspect they will continue to be suspicious of the coverage throughout the upcoming debates.

    There is still a case for the BBC to exist in a Britain of independent nations it is just that it would have to change dramatically. If it refuses to do so I’m sure there will be jobs in the the new ‘SBC’ for the staff at BBC Scotland.

  44. The BBC has never been even handed in the independence debate. You normally get a selection of anti-independence guests in the studio to outnumber the SNP member on a video link. Too much of the time we get a view of our nation through ‘London eyes’, whether it be the main news, Question time or even daytime talk shows.

    The problem with the BBC is that it refused to change, or wasn’t allowed to, after devolution. It’s news and current affairs content has become irrelevant to Scots as it focuses on health, education etc in England. What it should have done is also to devolve, allowing BBC Scotland to produce the main news programmes for Scotland not London.

    We are having a referendum on independence despite the BBC and other mainstream media bias against holding it. This says a lot about the maturity and intelligence of the Scottish people and I suspect they will continue to be suspicious of the coverage throughout the upcoming debates.

    There is still a case for the BBC to exist in a Britain of independent nations it is just that it would have to change dramatically. If it refuses to do so I’m sure there will be jobs in the the new ‘SBC’ for the staff at BBC Scotland.

  45. What we really need is another pirate radio station sitting just outside the limits and blasing out on the BBC frequencies. Nither that of small FM transmitters in vans and cars moveing about our towns, cities and villages. A sort of broadcast NNS.

  46. What we really need is another pirate radio station sitting just outside the limits and blasing out on the BBC frequencies. Nither that of small FM transmitters in vans and cars moveing about our towns, cities and villages. A sort of broadcast NNS.

  47. I note that the decision not to open up comments on BBC Scotland’s website is an editorial decision. Does this mean it isn’t Brian? Who has made this decision to exclude BBC viewers and listeners from commenting on programmes for which they must, by law, pay. Any ideas on names, please?

    • [quote name=”bigbuachaille”]I note that the decision not to open up comments on BBC Scotland’s website is an editorial decision. Does this mean it isn’t Brian? Who has made this decision to exclude BBC viewers and listeners from commenting on programmes for which they must, by law, pay. Any ideas on names, please?[/quote]
      I asked that and they won’t give me an answer – not BBC policy, I got told.

  48. I note that the decision not to open up comments on BBC Scotland’s website is an editorial decision. Does this mean it isn’t Brian? Who has made this decision to exclude BBC viewers and listeners from commenting on programmes for which they must, by law, pay. Any ideas on names, please?

  49. standard BBC complaint response,

    We are big you are little we are right and you are wrong and there is nothing you can do about it.

  50. standard BBC complaint response,

    We are big you are little we are right and you are wrong and there is nothing you can do about it.

  51. Maybe it is now time for us to take a more diret approach.
    If it was organised well, how many people do you think we could rally for a well publisised, noisy, embarrasing, protest outside BBC HQ.
    There is surely a lot of people who could be brought in, student bodies, seniors groups, STUC, Church etc. All of them demanding the BBC stops the shi€e.
    Now if Sky were to be there, STV, maybe a foreign one or two, that would be nice.
    I think this could be possible with the ground swell of public opinion that has been felt this last couple of weeks. It appears that all of a sudden huge sections of the country are standing up and saying “enough”. This debate will only have a whisker of a chance of fairness if we fight tooth and nail for it to be fair.
    I feel there could be chain reactions about to take place and if they are done correctly they will solidify the Yes vote.
    I have no doubt Alex and the team have a formidable game plan, but maybe we could help them out a bit.
    Is there any among us know how to get this started?

  52. Maybe it is now time for us to take a more diret approach.
    If it was organised well, how many people do you think we could rally for a well publisised, noisy, embarrasing, protest outside BBC HQ.
    There is surely a lot of people who could be brought in, student bodies, seniors groups, STUC, Church etc. All of them demanding the BBC stops the shi€e.
    Now if Sky were to be there, STV, maybe a foreign one or two, that would be nice.
    I think this could be possible with the ground swell of public opinion that has been felt this last couple of weeks. It appears that all of a sudden huge sections of the country are standing up and saying “enough”. This debate will only have a whisker of a chance of fairness if we fight tooth and nail for it to be fair.
    I feel there could be chain reactions about to take place and if they are done correctly they will solidify the Yes vote.
    I have no doubt Alex and the team have a formidable game plan, but maybe we could help them out a bit.
    Is there any among us know how to get this started?

  53. The problem is that Time is on the BBC’s side. they only have to drag any complaints or changes out until after 2014 and they will have achieved their objective (to influence the outcome of the referendum)
    If you believe they are biased against us, and you’d have to be daft not too, then don’t pay the licence fee !
    Post on NNS that you have decided to stop paying the licence and anyone who doesn’t pay can post that this is the case, then get other bloggs to run similar posts, then we write on the Scotsman, Herald and other sites that we are doing this and ‘presto’ we have a snowballing campaign.
    One or two posters have already given advice about how you can make sure you don’t let them in your house and why you should just throw their threatening letters in the bin (iv’e been doing this for years)
    This is the only thing that will worry them because they know that if people in Scotland perceive them as biased and it becomes a part of out social psyche to refuse to pay the licence, then whatever happens they will see a large portion of their revenues dry up.

    So Let me begin I do not pay the licence fee as I won’t give a penny to the unionist propaganda outlet that is the BBC.
    I also view the BBC as Anti Scottish or at very least anti democratic.
    No Money From this Scot, BBC!!!

    • I don’t pay it and I’m not overly concerned about their output, I ignore it now.

      It made no difference (and some argue it helped the SNP) in the run up to May 2011. At every turn it was ‘by how much will Labour win?’ and ‘the SNP are surely on the ropes’ but on the night there was an awful lot of stunned silences as all the predictions got blown out of the water.

      The more the BBC bang on the more people seem to realise they don’t tell the whole story. As I see it, we have until 2014 to encourage people to switch from the BBC and MSM to blogs and online reportage like here. Including labourhame and toryhoose, I mean, I would say this but the material on those sites is so much fluff and rubbish, not to mention the moderation policy which tells a damning story all by itself.

      I’m not worried, at worst the BBC will have no effect at all for the unionist cause, at best it’ll just damage the union argument further.

    • [quote name=”patrickotic”]So Let me begin I do not pay the licence fee as I won’t give a penny to the unionist propaganda outlet that is the BBC[/quote]

      I’ll be #2.

    • [quote name=”patrickotic”]So Let me begin I do not pay the licence fee as I won’t give a penny to the unionist propaganda outlet that is the BBC[/quote]

      I’ll be #2.

  54. The problem is that Time is on the BBC’s side. they only have to drag any complaints or changes out until after 2014 and they will have achieved their objective (to influence the outcome of the referendum)
    If you believe they are biased against us, and you’d have to be daft not too, then don’t pay the licence fee !
    Post on NNS that you have decided to stop paying the licence and anyone who doesn’t pay can post that this is the case, then get other bloggs to run similar posts, then we write on the Scotsman, Herald and other sites that we are doing this and ‘presto’ we have a snowballing campaign.
    One or two posters have already given advice about how you can make sure you don’t let them in your house and why you should just throw their threatening letters in the bin (iv’e been doing this for years)
    This is the only thing that will worry them because they know that if people in Scotland perceive them as biased and it becomes a part of out social psyche to refuse to pay the licence, then whatever happens they will see a large portion of their revenues dry up.

    So Let me begin I do not pay the licence fee as I won’t give a penny to the unionist propaganda outlet that is the BBC.
    I also view the BBC as Anti Scottish or at very least anti democratic.
    No Money From this Scot, BBC!!!

  55. A wee bit irrelevant, but where did the BBC get that Dundee background? Looks like an old picture with a badly photo-shopped oil rig thrown in. No waterfront flats, no City Quay development, no Apex Hotel, and loads and loads of trees!

    Trust the beeb?…… nah, y’ir aright (as we say up here in Dundee).

  56. A wee bit irrelevant, but where did the BBC get that Dundee background? Looks like an old picture with a badly photo-shopped oil rig thrown in. No waterfront flats, no City Quay development, no Apex Hotel, and loads and loads of trees!

    Trust the beeb?…… nah, y’ir aright (as we say up here in Dundee).

  57. I am feeling so positive today as the events of last week sink in and I’m really excited about the way forward. I feel that the lack of being able to comment on BBC blogs is hardly worth bothering about as we have so many ways already to get the positive message out and must utilise all of them instead. Those who do comment only to spread the usual fears and smears are never going to be persuaded and are not worthy of our positive comments so I’m just going to concentrate on those who are open to change.

  58. I am feeling so positive today as the events of last week sink in and I’m really excited about the way forward. I feel that the lack of being able to comment on BBC blogs is hardly worth bothering about as we have so many ways already to get the positive message out and must utilise all of them instead. Those who do comment only to spread the usual fears and smears are never going to be persuaded and are not worthy of our positive comments so I’m just going to concentrate on those who are open to change.

  59. When I go back to Scotland I will never pay the BBC TV licence ever again.

    Until I perceive fair reporting regarding Scotland.

    Civil disobedience,a great tool.

  60. When I go back to Scotland I will never pay the BBC TV licence ever again.

    Until I perceive fair reporting regarding Scotland.

    Civil disobedience,a great tool.

  61. Let me answer some of the questions being asked.

    1. The person who appears to be Censor-in-Chief is Daniel Maxwell, BBC Scotland Online Editor. 😉

    2. The backdrop in Dundee is scheduled to be replaced once the new Victoria and Albert Museum has been built.

    3. The Scottish Government’s “Opportunities for Broadcasting – Taking forward our National Conversation” makes an interesting read for a potential view of what may happen to BBC Scotland in an independent Scotland.

    4. Complain to every possible source you can recall – the BBC, your elected officials, the Culture Minister, the regulators, etc.

    I am proof that it works! For that is me on the Newswatch programme. I choose my words carefully so the core message got out to the general public, of which many still believe and trust everything the BBC outputs. Some of my more scathing comments did not make it past the edit suite but we must still view this as a major victory in the battle to hold BBC Scotland to account. There are good people in the BBC, even in Scotland, we just need to rid ourselves of the bad ones!

  62. Perhaps Kevin Dunion or his successor could be persuaded to use FOI Laws to elicit from where the EBC Scotland policy of suppressing free speech originates and actually gets hold of and publishes the relevant policy directives.

  63. Watched a bit of an old movie today, “The man who never was”.
    From memory… To encourage the man who’s son’s body they want to use, he is told “do it for England” When he replies his son is Scottish, he gets an apology saying, he meant Britain. The father replies we are used to you people thinking England is Britain”
    SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE !

  64. I wonder if ALL SNP members could sychronise their watches and do a mass
    rejection of the BBC licence fee.
    A sort of “burn your draft card” protest for Scotland. The mass rejection of thousands of licence fees on the same day would certainly make them sit up and smell the coffee.

  65. BBC website asks for NNS link, hold the front page!

    [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/NF1951574?thread=8297690[/url]

    • I saw you put up the link to here, you’re a bloody genius !

      Well, I saw that Peta had asked for the link and you were quite right in posting it !

      Well done.

      • [quote name=”tartanfever”]I saw you put up the link to here, you’re a bloody genius !

        Well, I saw that Peta had asked for the link and you were quite right in posting it !

        Well done.[/quote]

        I did respond to Peta with the blog link but they’ve stuck me in a moderation queue for the time being!

        Regards

        John

        p.s. Thanks for all the kind words and show of appreciation. This was very much a group effort from all those people on the POV messageboard who took the time to complain, complain and complain. We had a game plan that worked well for us and hopefully will result in restoration of public scrutiny on the BBC Scotland news output.

  66. I have complained again to the BBC and mailed Daniel Maxwell regarding his assurance that the blogs would be open from time to time.

    [i] Dear Mr Maxwell,

    Dispite your previous assurance to me that the Scottish political and economic blogs
    would be open for comment on an infrequent basis this does not appear to be the case,
    not open at all would appear to be the case.

    The closure of comments on Scotland’s political and economic events in the
    Scotland pages of the BBC but the freedom to comment on such articles only when they
    appear under UK pages is a diservice to the licence payers in Scotland.

    I will again raise this matter with the BBC and with other institutions
    such as the Audience Council Scotland and the BBC trust. Given the important
    events unfolding in Scotland it beggars belief that the BBC wishes to close the
    public out of comment and information services which are made available to
    the other countries in the UK.

    I have, in the decades of ownership of my own home never failed to hold
    a licence for the BBC, this matter has for the first time made me question that
    relationship.

    Regards,[/i]

  67. I have complained about the blogs.

    Got the same stock responses that otheers appear to have had. Am now off to ‘stage 2’ of the BBC complaints process. I am now also complaining about how Mr Maxwell’s response is inaccurate.

    What is interesting is that I didn’t get a response to my original complaint, when I chased it Mr Maxwell said ‘they had no record of it’ (but I have a copy). When I replied to Mr Maxwell’s first response, onto the second part of the so-called ‘stage 1’, I then got another stock answer. I should have been told where and how to move on to the ‘second stage’, ie the Editorial Compliants Unit, but I wasn’t and I then had to email Maxwell AGAIN to ask what next. And in all of this I haven’t once been given a reference number…

    Incompetent? Or something else?

    • [quote name=”ammacj”]I have complained about the blogs.

      Got the same stock responses that otheers appear to have had. Am now off to ‘stage 2’ of the BBC complaints process. I am now also complaining about how Mr Maxwell’s response is inaccurate.

      What is interesting is that I didn’t get a response to my original complaint, when I chased it Mr Maxwell said ‘they had no record of it’ (but I have a copy). When I replied to Mr Maxwell’s first response, onto the second part of the so-called ‘stage 1’, I then got another stock answer. I should have been told where and how to move on to the ‘second stage’, ie the Editorial Compliants Unit, but I wasn’t and I then had to email Maxwell AGAIN to ask what next. And in all of this I haven’t once been given a reference number…

      Incompetent? Or something else?[/quote]

      Funnily enough I didn’t get a response to my initial complaint about BBC Scotland’s blog censorship. That’s why I went on a different tact with politicians and Newswatch. I’m betting Mr Maxwell wishes he had put me in complaint limbo now… if only he had answered that initial complaint I’d still be going down the complaint road well travelled by so many of you.

  68. The BBC website recently gave a perfect example of bias. It ran with the abbreviated headline “Scotland ‘worse off outide UK'” being used throughout the website to link to a story for a couple of days. The actual story, of course, was this one:
    [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16534664[/url]
    which has the headline:
    “Scotland would be ‘worse off outside UK’ – Osborne”
    So to avoid the biased headline, all the Beeb web editors had to do was add “- Chancellor” or “- Osborne” at the end. But they didn’t. Why?

  69. “….online comment have been national in nature which has resulted in Scottish input being diluted”.

    ‘national in nature’? What, you think the British are a nation? I’m sure you don’t.

    There are 3 nations in Britain and British isn’t one of them. Sloppy.

    • [quote name=”ButeHouse”]”….online comment have been national in nature which has resulted in Scottish input being diluted”.

      ‘national in nature’? What, you think the British are a nation? I’m sure you don’t.[/quote]

      Yes, I noticed that too. I think they mean “state” rather than “national”.

    • [quote name=”ButeHouse”]”….online comment have been national in nature which has resulted in Scottish input being diluted”.

      ‘national in nature’? What, you think the British are a nation? I’m sure you don’t.[/quote]

      Yes, I noticed that too. I think they mean “state” rather than “national”.

  70. I did a quick hitler parody yesterday where he discovers there is to be an Independence referendum………and have just discovered that tom harris has caused himself problems with what looks like a humourless effort to do the same from the rather hopeless unionist angle. I thought he would just get away with whatever he liked when I heard he had used the parody.

    It is about to be published but what should I do with it?

    I believe it is probably funny as I have seen the reaction of a few of my friends, though it has a few expletives when hitler loses the plot…………

    • Anything with Nazism is going to be controversial, is there not another cult classic film scene that is subtitled we could use?

      How about the scene with Jet Li in Hero where he’s talking to the emperor he’s about to kill. No one gets angry right enough (that I can recall) so not a good example.

      I’m not a huge film fan, perhaps someone else can suggest something?

  71. As for the BBC demonstrating yet more unionist gerrymandering, we’re used to it and the voters are beginning to catch on too. VOTE YES.

  72. Just showed a few pals it and they laughed their bottoms off but if it is dodgy to do a youtube parody as mato has advised I’d rather not allow access unless it can perhaps go on to a blog or something else-I did it in my own time as a member of the public though so I wonder what is wrong with what is just an amateur go at satire with a bit of politics thrown in for a larf?

    Anyway, on topic the bbc have a nauseating way of putting forward their dire reportage and it is about time they explained themselves and sorted it out.

  73. Holocaust memorial coming up no laughing matter. Video Was not funny. Leave satire to Private Eye –MP should be representing electorate —obviously not very busy.

  74. Private Eye doesn’t mention Scotland more than twice a year at best-Since Paul Foot’s seminal Lockerbie report, they seem to stick mainly to politics affecting England-not that I am complaining as I have bought the magazine faithfully since the mid ’80’s.

    You can learn a lot by reading Private Eye though if it is on a subject you know a lot about, they can be a bit sensationalist over substance and you wonder how much they therefore get right.

    A lot of what is reported in PI takes years until it is ‘broken’ by some more common tabloid-that is what makes their team worth it in my book.

    They are nothing like the bbc and that is also a good point.

    • Unfortunately, if the latest issue is anything to go by, they seem to be adopting a stance of attacking the Campaign for Indpendence.

      AS one who has been a subscriber to and admirer of PE for many years I am to say the least disappointed.

  75. I gave up posting on the BwB blog long before they stopped the comments as it was such a waste of time. Brian Taylor never actually took part so the with part was a cop out, then they started moderating anything that was remotely criticial of the BBC or the Union and i just had enough. The EBC is a shocking so called public service that I would sell off in a minute, I would rather private crap tv than state sponsored anti scottish propaganda on their terms.

    • A lot of the other BBC “Blog Owners” either post back directly as part of the thread or acknowledge postings as part of the main story in the Blog. Jonathan Amos on the Space Blog is very active in this regard for example.

      Brian was particularly bad for not doing this and indeed seeming not to actually take any notice of anything that was written.

  76. Hopefully I won’t get someone into trouble with this. I’ll be as vague as possible.

    I happen to know a BBC employee, a broadcaster, working in Scotland and in London.

    I asked this person to settle an argument;

    “Are there lots of Labour Place people in the BBC?”

    The answer;

    “Yes, there are a lot of them about.”

    • This from an old piece on the J McAlpine blog may be of interest …….btw John Boothman is now Head of News at BBC Scotland.

      [i]”Tom Connor, who currently runs the sports show, is to take up a position in charge of online news for BBC Scotland. BBC online news is a crucially important source of information. A number of years ago Connor, along with John Boothman who runs political coverage, was censured for offering media training to Labour candidates. I do not know either man, though I respect Boothman’s partner, the former Labour minister Susan Deacon. But how much public confidence can we really have in the BBC when so many of its senior decision makers come from this background? If there were an equivalent number of former SNP members in its ranks then fair enough, but that is simply not the case. Catrina Renton, a former Labour councillor, presents politics shows, and Tavish Scott’s wife played a big part in last week’s snow story. Yet when Elizabeth Quigley married the SNP’s John Swinney she announced that she would no longer be involved in political stories and stuck to softer features instead.” [/i]

  77. I once complained to the BBC regarding their coverage of the Cenotaph service. A few years back I noticed how Dimbleby was continuing his commentary during the playing of the lament ‘The Flowers of the Forest’. I was angry about this display of disrepect. I decided to complain to the BBC but instead of going through the system and in all likelihood receiving the ‘chippy Scot’ reply I decided to write to David Dimbleby himself. I received a reply in which, to my amazement, he expressed full agreement with my thoughts on the matter. He said he would take it up with the producer and I am glad to say there has not been a repeat.

    I know the context was different but I do think that bypassing the usual complaints procedures and bombarding the high heid yins would be the best tactic in this instance.

  78. Kenneth Roy getting stuck in on this one now on Scottish Review

    http://www.scottishreview.net

    “BBC Scotland has been exposed as shifty
    and hypocritical”

    With the “highlight” point that

    “I suspect that the internet patriots loosely known as cybernats were monopolising the Scottish political editor’s website and that the comments section had become an embarrassment to the BBC.”

    [Um…..might have been Sir. Sorry Sir.]

    Things seem to be moving to a bit of a tipping point now. John Thompson’s appearance on “Newswatch” seems to have stirred a bit of interest – looks like there will be an article in The Courier this Thursday (John will I am sure post details) and once it is “in the news”, I am certain that we will make sure that it is publicised everywhere.

    I’m still going ahead with my formal complaint to the BBC Trust and as a side-line, will submit the same portfolio to the Audience Council for Scotland.

    Thank you to everyone who has mailed me – again, I promise that I will anonymise any information that anyone has given me that I include in the evidence portfolio.

    I feel that we’re pretty close to getting a result on this one.

    • chiefy1724 2012-01-17 12:28
      “Kenneth Roy getting stuck in on this one now on Scottish Review”

      Kenneth Roy’s statement: “I suspect that the internet patriots loosely known as cybernats were monopolising the Scottish political editor’s website and that the comments section had become an embarrassment to the BBC.”

      Goes to the heart of the problem, but does not give a direct answer to the solution.

      He is very clear about how “Scottish Review” have solved the problem, although on a slightly disingenuous reason for their view.

      Then he gets to the above paragraph.

      The BBC is a public service news vehicle and should be able to attribute their news and comments. When commentators are anonymous this is not possible. Their mistake was allowing such a site in the first place.

      • [i]The BBC is a public service news vehicle and should be able to attribute their news and comments. When commentators are anonymous this is not possible. Their mistake was allowing such a site in the first place.[/i]

        I won’t disagree but the genie is now out of the bottle. Once you are used to being able to comment, the removal is what matters not the concept.

        Now, I am not in favour of forcing “real names” a la Google Plus.

        Many of us who, for example, work in the Public Services, would be unprepared to post under our real names. Anonymity allows us to be free. (My real name is a matter of record here and in several forums/fora/forae but I prefer to keep posting under Chiefy1724 as that’s what I’ve been posting under for years and as we all hop around its fun/interesting to keep up with The Usual Suspects IMHO)

        Say, for example, that somebody from the BBC Newsroom was a regular contributor to these boards ? Would a “real names” policy allow them to continue to contribute or would they feel that if their real name appeared then it could be detrimental to their relationships and obligations at work ?

        Comments should be free and as long as they keep within the Law and the moderation policy of the site, where’s the issue with the poster being anonymous ?

        • chiefy1724 2012-01-17 14:08
          “I won’t disagree but the genie is now out of the bottle. Once you are used to being able to comment, the removal is what matters not the concept.”

          “Now, I am not in favour of forcing “real names” a la Google Plus. “

          The genie is indeed out of the bottle.
          It depends on your point of view I suppose, fun/interesting sites appear all over the internet.

          I suggested that the BBC political forum is not intended to be, or should be, such a site IMHO

          • I think you’ve misread me again, exel. I said that “…[I] found it fun/interesting to keep up with the Usual Suspects”, not that the BBC Political or Economic Blogs was such a site.

            I agree that the BBC Political/Economic/Scientific Blogs should be treated with seriousness where appropriate but as with the rest of life, levity where also appropriate.

            If you don’t want a thing heard, then don’t say it. Anonymous or not. Thing is, if you are NOT anonymous, how brave would you be to put your own name to it ?

          • I think you’re both talking about the symptom, not the cause.

            If the blogs presented the subject matter honestly and objectively then people wouldn’t feel so inclined to correct whats being said.

            There’s a difference between healthy debate and straight-forward correction. The former is the aim but the latter seems to be the outcome on Scottish BBC blogs.

            Although I have no doubt the nationalists are more active online than unionists but when you have an MSM (printed and online) stifling and censoring reportage and subsequent debate, it is to be expected that we’d be driven to a medium that is more conducive to free speech.

  79. A sidebar thought on the BBC blog situation, I have never commented on BBC sites but just had a quick look at the archives and it’s clear the Brian Taylor attracted 100’s more comments than any of the others so it’s possible they have staff issues over the moderation in addition to the points those of you who have posted cite.

    It’s interesting to see how few people do post on the other BBC Scotland blogs.

    • As far as I know, moderation was contracted out to an external company a while back – it is not a BBC Scotland Staffing issue but possibly one that was “central” in nature.

      No other “Nation and Region” has shut the blogs. If it is a resource issue for BBc Northern Britain, why not for them ?

      Speak it soft, but Mr Roy’s observation may be closer to the truth than anyone at BBC Northern Britain is going to be prepared to admit.

      • It was just a thought in addition to the points you and others have raised, there’s no doubt there is, has been anxiety about political reporting in Scotland for the BBC for quite a while now, devolution threw up various issues they had not considered and as you’ll well know it took time to even get their heads around the changes and how that would impact on BBC Network reporting. The challenges over the years by the SNP etc.

        • THe fact is that had we NOT gone onto BwB and challenged and debated, comments would still be open.

          I still maintain that the shut-down on Betsan following a mass migration to Cyber-Cymru during the 2010 UKGE campaign was down to people who usually posted on BwB posting on there and the Nat-Alert bells ringing.

          I do and continue to post on other BBC Blogs and for that facility the BBC continue to be commended.

          I personally have never been moderated off any BBC Blog other than BwB.

          It is a Provable Statement (I have the spreadsheets) that BwB had the highest “modding off” percentages of any of the “national” political blogs (see posts passim)

          It is also true, if you read the Archives of BwB, that we did not confine ourselves to the issue that TGTJ put forth but a “holistic” view of the Scottish Political Scene which was less than sympathetic to what we perceived as Bias by the BBC.

          The decision of Call-Me-Dave and Call-Him-Nick to catapult the “Constitutional Question” to the fore has served to highlight the disparity between how BBC Northern Britain have made an active choice to surpress debate and how the “national” NR Blog has been left more or less alone. Modding on the NR Newslog posts regarding the Referendum has been at roughly the same level as “normal”.

          No Taxation without Representation Anyone ?

  80. And another thought if the moderation is centralised let’s say in a London hub it’s possible the moderators are not up to speed on Scottish matters. The K Roy point about them being worried that their political coverage was being challenged as biased would obviously be an issue.

    • Have a look back over the archives and a look at the names most frequently modded out. Once you were on the Naughty Step, it was clear that your postings possibly attracted what may be described as “special attention”.

      Now, I was frequently being modded off at one point which is what got me going on all of this. Again, I successfully challenged every modding off (bar one, which I do concede that I might concievably have been considered to have been a marginal bit naughty on).

      There should be no need for “appreciation” of Scottish Matters. A Posting should be within the House Rules or Not. Modding was not neutral.

      Witness the fact that several of us were modded off for “attempting to direct traffic to external websites”. (i.e. This One). On the same page that I was modded off for that, another poster had been allowed to include a link to The Dundee Courier.

      Look at today on the PoV Blog – Several posters have now been allowed to post a link to this site and I have posted a link to the Scottish Review.

      Technically, we are in breach of The House Rules but the Board Owner has allowed this to pass. The Board Owner has been instrumental in allowing a free debate of this issue and the issue is now In The Wild with John Thompson’s appearance on Newswatch. Try and crack down now and you will hear the cries in Tokyo.

      Lets see what happens the next time that a “Scottish” story is opened for comment.

      • On the moderators of whatever MSM there is an element of playing safe, that’s not to say it’s right but the ‘if in doubt’ idea which you point to from your own experience, I am not saying what they’re doing is okay but was wondering aloud.

    • Thats exactly what happens Alba, all the modding is outsourced to a private company. (can’t remember the name but it’s been pointed out before)

      That was one of the key arguments I made to the BBC. Treating the issue of no comments as a cut in service to Scottish viewers, how could this be justified if all modding fro the entire BBC site was outsourced to one company ?

      • Google* tells me that it is a company called Tempero (Social Media Management).

        *Impartiality is in my DNA. Other search engines are available.

        • [url=http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/4103-bbc-scotland-under-pressure-over-online-blog-censorship#comment-112550]Here[/url] I hadn’t finished reading comments before posting.

      • It does seem very odd I couldn’t imagine the Guardian, for example, deciding to outsource moderation, as they say you learn something new every day.

        • Re Tempero you point to @chiefly1724 this from their website

          [i]We manage a range of social media for the BBC, Sony, British Airways, Activision, Diageo, Marks and Spencer, NHS, and Channel 4.[/i]

          So Channel 4 as well, oh dear. The website link ……

          http://tempero.co.uk

          • I think Ch4 are as bad as the BBC. I’ve posted 6 times in the last few days over there, only two have seen the light of day.

          • Haven’t posted there but I wonder if all BBC moderation is done by this company, I can’t imagine individual programming is but perhaps.

  81. It’s as Chiefy says, they don’t like being challenged on the misinformation they put out as fact.

    Take today’s rewriting of history:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-16594976

    [b]West Lothian Question commission members announced[/b]

    [i]”The question was first posed when the Labour government tried unsuccessfully to introduce devolution in Scotland in the 1970s.”[/i]

    The Labour government tried unsuccessfully to introduce devolution in Scotland in the 1970s? They did their damnedest to make sure it didn’t happen.

  82. chiefy1724 2012-01-17 15:00
    Are you not simply trying to merge the “BBC Scotland is biased against Scotland debate” with the “BBC operates online blog censorship debate”?

    • [quote name=”exel”]chiefy1724 2012-01-17 15:00
      Are you not simply trying to merge the “BBC Scotland is biased against Scotland debate” with the “BBC operates online blog censorship debate”?[/quote]

      online blog censorship bias ?
      Duh !
      Is that confusing you, exel ?

  83. Found this from a 2009 interview with the person named below, perhaps moderation is still as he describes.

    [i]Nick Reynolds has worked at the BBC for the past 20 years in a variety of roles and is currently editor at the BBC’s Internet Blog.

    What is the BBC’s approach to user generated content, and moderation? Do you have a team of moderators or do you outsource this?

    Most moderation of comments on blogs and message boards is handled by the Central Communities team in BBC Future Media & Technology.

    Day to day moderation is outsourced to an independent company, with more complex moderation queries referred to the Central Team who keep a close eye on what’s happening.

    Individual divisions in the BBC host their own blogs and message boards.

    As for user generated content BBC News have done some very good work on integrating contributions from licence fee payers (e.g. photos from mobile phones, tweets) into their newsgathering. [/i]

    Full link

    http://econsultancy.com/uk/blog/3199-q-a-with-nick-reynolds-editor-of-the-bbc-internet-blog

  84. BBC Scotland has everything to lose and nothing to gain by operating a reply free zone on selected blogs. They leave themselves open to the justifiable accusation of bias. It is commonplace for all commentators to sign up to a code of conduct, and offensive contributions are quite simply unacceptable and to be deplored. Similarly contributions which make or allude to personal insult are not to be countenanced.
    Given these parameters, one must ask what BBC Scotland appears so reticent about. Kenneth Roy, usually a thoughtful columnist, has thrown in his views. We really must now look to a more relaxed response from BBC Scotland within the next few days. If this is not forthcoming, then bias it is, I’m afraid.

  85. Should Scotland become either Independent or, through some sort of Devo Max settlement, take on more powers, I for one will be asking for the likes of Ken MacQuarrie to be made to answer for their actions. He is clearly misusing his position in a clearly undemocratic way.
    I’m afraid that I will be in no mood to feel goodwill towards people that have made a choice, a clear choice, to practice what is simply a form of institutionalised propaganda.
    We all know that what is going on at Pacific Quay is, at best, extremely questionable, so why sweep these behaviours under the carpet in the future. The easy path is to shake hands and turn a blind eye, but that allows people current in the BBC management structure to get away with what is essentially a crime against the free and fair dissemination of information.
    This sort of thing went on in the former East Germany and current dictatorial regimes, depriving people of the information to make a reasoned judgement on their future. BBC employees, please take note and start to see sense.

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