SNP hopeful of gains across country as parties await results of local election count

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By Martin Kelly
 
The SNP’s Local Government Minister Derek Mackay has said the party is confident of making gains “across the country” and “in cities” as parties waited for counting to begin in Scotland.
 
Mr Mackay was speaking after voters turned out to cast their ballot in Scotland’s local authority elections. 

Commenting on his party’s expectations, Mr Mackay said:

“The SNP has fought a positive campaign focused on jobs, families and fairness.  Key commitments such as freezing the council tax until 2016, more free and flexible childcare, and guaranteed job and training opportunities for young people have resonated well on the doorsteps.

“We believe this has helped us to make advances in every area of the country, and we are hopeful that we will meet our objectives of winning more votes and more seats.”

The SNP Minister also tantalisingly predicted an SNP win in one of Scotland’s major cities – although Glasgow was left out of the list of possibilities that included Edinburgh and Stirling.

The result of the Glasgow contest will be eagerly awaited and early reports suggest a close contest.  A loss for Labour will signal a crisis for the party in Scotland.

Counts will begin early Friday and will be conducted using a new electronic system.  Mr Mackay sought to allay fears over the use of the new machines and said: “The electronic counting system had been subjected to rigorous testing which should protect against the failures of the past.”

Turnout is expected to be low, despite polling day voters enjoying bright sunshine and a still, warm day.  Coverage has also been hampered by media focus on attacks on First Minister Alex Salmond over his meetings with Rupert Murdoch.

The contest has also been marred after Unionist parties launched a personal attack on the integrity of top Civil Servant Sir Peter Housden after the mandarin rejected complaints that campaign rules had been broken by Mr Mackay.

Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie reacted to the official’s judgement by questioning his impartiality and labelling him “an SNP lackey” after Sir Peter ruled that an announcement of an agreement with Cosla by the Minister did not contravene election guidelines.

Speaking to the Scotsman newspaper, Mr Rennie said: “Yet again Sir Peter has failed to uphold the traditions of the independent civil service.  He is acting more like an SNP lackey than the head of the Civil Service in Scotland.

“The SNP clearly broke ‘purdah’ rules by making an announcement on council funding during the election period.  It was an election gimmick and an abuse of Derek Mackay’s position as local government minister.

“Sir Peter has repeatedly failed to take a balanced view of complaints against the SNP government. This is yet another decision that questions his impartiality. Sir Peter needs to be reminded that he works for the public, not for the SNP.”

Mr Rennie’s view was backed by Labour MSP Paul Martin who said: “The checks and balances that the permanent secretary is supposed to be providing in his role are being sorely missed and Sir Peter Housden seems content to cheer Alex Salmond on rather than scrutinise his conduct.”

Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said: “I find it astonishing that a ministerial announcement in the middle of an election campaign does not contravene the purdah rules.”

A spokesman for the Scottish Government dismissed the attacks and said: “Announcements during the local government election period are a matter for Ministers.  The announcement with Cosla resulted from an agreement between the Scottish Government and all Scottish local authorities and benefits all areas of Scotland.”

The announcement of an agreement between the SNP Government and local authorities signalled support for families on low incomes who faced losing council tax benefit after cuts from the UK coalition.

784 COMMENTS

  1. How come already the DM is claiming 500 – 700 Labour council seat gains in England?
    Are they doing an overnight count?
    I’d like to see how many postal vote in each council.

  2. How come already the DM is claiming 500 – 700 Labour council seat gains in England?
    Are they doing an overnight count?
    I’d like to see how many postal vote in each council.

  3. Party politics should have no place in local government. Party politics are detrimental to local government. While I hope that the SNP wallop Labour, I would hope that in an independent Scotland we can move away from this disingenious system. Take a lesson from the Highlands where an area bigger than Wales returns many independents and in general gives good local government.

    • Yes, I’m all for gains for anyone/any party that’s non-unionist. So long as Conliblab take a hammering I’m happy.

      • The problem with the “independent” councillors is trying to work out if the really are independent. Some of our “independents” in the Western Isles regularly attend Labour Party meetings and one, elected to the council as an “independent”, ran unsuccesfully as the Labour candidate for westminster in 2010, and was on the council ballot yesterday as an “independent”!

        • Yes, true. I had one SNP, one indy and one Borders Party in my ward against Lib/Con/Lab. I voted SNP and for the indy after looking into the indy’s background (I’m relatively new to the area). Contented myself he was popular / worked hard at his job and was photographed/associated more regularly with the SNP than other parties which gained him my 2.

        • Yes, true. I had one SNP, one indy and one Borders Party in my ward against Lib/Con/Lab. I voted SNP and for the indy after looking into the indy’s background (I’m relatively new to the area). Contented myself he was popular / worked hard at his job and was photographed/associated more regularly with the SNP than other parties which gained him my 2.

        • If there were no party politics in local government then this man would be elected or not on the basis of his own performance. But there will always be rogues

          • Argyll and Bute is run by “independents” and it is a shambles. Many of them are closet Tories who know they would not get elected if they came out

          • Argyll and Bute is run by “independents” and it is a shambles. Many of them are closet Tories who know they would not get elected if they came out

        • If there were no party politics in local government then this man would be elected or not on the basis of his own performance. But there will always be rogues

        • Agree with you re ‘Independent’ candidates.In times past they were Tory in all but name.
          Same as ‘Progressive’.
          Be careful who we vote for.
          SNP candidates ONLY.
          Personally,I wouldn’t place a vote of any number at the door of ANY of them.
          This is a time of great change,and ALL the unionist/anti-independence cabal must be aavoided.
          Leave them with no political credibility until independence is signed AND delivered.

        • Agree with you re ‘Independent’ candidates.In times past they were Tory in all but name.
          Same as ‘Progressive’.
          Be careful who we vote for.
          SNP candidates ONLY.
          Personally,I wouldn’t place a vote of any number at the door of ANY of them.
          This is a time of great change,and ALL the unionist/anti-independence cabal must be aavoided.
          Leave them with no political credibility until independence is signed AND delivered.

      • The problem with the “independent” councillors is trying to work out if the really are independent. Some of our “independents” in the Western Isles regularly attend Labour Party meetings and one, elected to the council as an “independent”, ran unsuccesfully as the Labour candidate for westminster in 2010, and was on the council ballot yesterday as an “independent”!

    • Yes, I’m all for gains for anyone/any party that’s non-unionist. So long as Conliblab take a hammering I’m happy.

    • Good local goverment in the Highlands with the Independents?
      Under Libdem/Indy/Lab rule powers have been centralised in Inverness. Highland Council is seen as the enemy by many small communities in the Highlands.
      Let’s hope there are enough SNP members to change that when the dust settles later today

    • Good local goverment in the Highlands with the Independents?
      Under Libdem/Indy/Lab rule powers have been centralised in Inverness. Highland Council is seen as the enemy by many small communities in the Highlands.
      Let’s hope there are enough SNP members to change that when the dust settles later today

    • [quote name=”cardrossian”]Party politics should have no place in local government. Party politics are detrimental to local government. While I hope that the SNP wallop Labour, I would hope that in an independent Scotland we can move away from this disingenious system. Take a lesson from the Highlands where an area bigger than Wales returns many independents and in general gives good local government.[/quote]

      Be careful what you wish for.

      In Angus the independents formed what they called the “Angus Alliance”. This was basically a group of people who banded together with the sole aim of stopping the SNP from gaining power. i.e. “Anybody but the SNP”

      At this election it has been extremely interesting to watch former Labour / Con / Lib supporters standing as “Independents.”

      Their campaign has again been focused upon three things.

      1. Personal attacks on nationalist candidates.

      2. Seeking common cause with disaffected Unionists.

      3. Promising huge capital projects that they know they can’t deliver.

      In the main I would be extremely suspicious of anyone standing as an “Independent” having witnessed how they have conducted themselves in my part of the country.

      • I can do no better than quote from Keith Aitken in yesterdays Daily Express
        “[i]Independence for Scotland. The London coalition and its austerity programme. Gay marriage. A first report card for Johann Lamont/Ruth Davidson/Willie Rennie. Just some of the things that todays elections are NOT about. These are national, not local issues. Nor for that matter are the elections about merging services, or outsourcing or downsizing[/i]”.

        We don’t know yet what our results are in Scotland but I can’t believe that all the councillors in England who lost their seats (regardless of their party affiliations) were bad councillors. How can it be good for local government if an extremely good local politician can lose his place because he happened to be a member of an unpopular national party.

        As I said, party politics are not good for local government.

      • I can do no better than quote from Keith Aitken in yesterdays Daily Express
        “[i]Independence for Scotland. The London coalition and its austerity programme. Gay marriage. A first report card for Johann Lamont/Ruth Davidson/Willie Rennie. Just some of the things that todays elections are NOT about. These are national, not local issues. Nor for that matter are the elections about merging services, or outsourcing or downsizing[/i]”.

        We don’t know yet what our results are in Scotland but I can’t believe that all the councillors in England who lost their seats (regardless of their party affiliations) were bad councillors. How can it be good for local government if an extremely good local politician can lose his place because he happened to be a member of an unpopular national party.

        As I said, party politics are not good for local government.

      • The sooner these tories in disguise disappear the better.
        And take their damn gaudy rag of a “county flag” with them! What a dog’s breakfast thon is!

      • The sooner these tories in disguise disappear the better.
        And take their damn gaudy rag of a “county flag” with them! What a dog’s breakfast thon is!

    • [quote name=”cardrossian”]Party politics should have no place in local government. Party politics are detrimental to local government. While I hope that the SNP wallop Labour, I would hope that in an independent Scotland we can move away from this disingenious system. Take a lesson from the Highlands where an area bigger than Wales returns many independents and in general gives good local government.[/quote]

      Be careful what you wish for.

      In Angus the independents formed what they called the “Angus Alliance”. This was basically a group of people who banded together with the sole aim of stopping the SNP from gaining power. i.e. “Anybody but the SNP”

      At this election it has been extremely interesting to watch former Labour / Con / Lib supporters standing as “Independents.”

      Their campaign has again been focused upon three things.

      1. Personal attacks on nationalist candidates.

      2. Seeking common cause with disaffected Unionists.

      3. Promising huge capital projects that they know they can’t deliver.

      In the main I would be extremely suspicious of anyone standing as an “Independent” having witnessed how they have conducted themselves in my part of the country.

  4. Party politics should have no place in local government. Party politics are detrimental to local government. While I hope that the SNP wallop Labour, I would hope that in an independent Scotland we can move away from this disingenious system. Take a lesson from the Highlands where an area bigger than Wales returns many independents and in general gives good local government.

  5. Hope SS is right and we win today particularly here in Glasgow. Interesting ad at the top of Spectator’s front page for one of their events “it’s time to let Scotland go” Wed 27th June Royal Geographical Society. Would quite like to attend this pity it’s in London though.

  6. Hope SS is right and we win today particularly here in Glasgow. Interesting ad at the top of Spectator’s front page for one of their events “it’s time to let Scotland go” Wed 27th June Royal Geographical Society. Would quite like to attend this pity it’s in London though.

  7. Moray council reporting 38% turnout on average. BBC says thats really low but I’d disagree for a standalone council election.

    • Seems the turnout for England + Wales is looking like 32%. Let’s hope we can get a better turnout in Scotland with good SNP gains. That would make it difficult for Labour to blame SNP gains on a low turnout as it would mean the same for their own gains in E+W…

    • Seems the turnout for England + Wales is looking like 32%. Let’s hope we can get a better turnout in Scotland with good SNP gains. That would make it difficult for Labour to blame SNP gains on a low turnout as it would mean the same for their own gains in E+W…

  8. Moray council reporting 38% turnout on average. BBC says thats really low but I’d disagree for a standalone council election.

  9. Don’t hear [b]them[/b] complaining about BIAS media coverage.
    Watched BBC Newsnight last night, a utterly contemptible with a non stop tirade against Alex Salmond, McWhirter spewing out bile along with Brewer and the other guy.
    No SNP representation just a witch hunt.
    HOW CAN THEY DENY CLAIMS OF BIAS, the BBC is breaching all the rules and no one can contain them. They are no longer credible. Also front page of yesterday’s Scotsman ( aka “THE UNIONIST TIMES” ) was equally as bad. There is no rules now, we have to realise this, no one will help us, we need to use everything we can to counter them. Perhaps the European Court of Justice, if that is a possibility.
    Otherwise I suggest we start with a PETITION against the BBC enmasse.

      • mei
        That is good to hear, just hope it is well attended.
        However, don’t you think that a organised petition that is big enough could not so easily be ignored.( Newsnetscotland perhaps ) Petitions can always be referenced to, whereas a demo is unlikely to be. But both would be very good.

      • mei
        That is good to hear, just hope it is well attended.
        However, don’t you think that a organised petition that is big enough could not so easily be ignored.( Newsnetscotland perhaps ) Petitions can always be referenced to, whereas a demo is unlikely to be. But both would be very good.

      • I’m coming! Roll on the 26th.
        Good idea about the petition, what about it newsnet? Can you organise it?

      • I’m coming! Roll on the 26th.
        Good idea about the petition, what about it newsnet? Can you organise it?

    • Leswil, I’m still waiting to hear from anyone why the politician and party with the least amount of personal contact with NI and Murdoch should have to answer any questions or why it should be the SGs responsibility to institute any inquiry. I mean don’t they think the Leveson inquiry did a good enough job, were they somehow remiss in the execution of their duties?

      • Well, if they were not a bitter labour people, I am sure they would agree that you are right. However as things are it is any port in a storm for them, ethics are out of the window.

        • What ethics? 😀

          This is going to come round and bite them eventually. You can’t make accusations forever without providing proof of foul play at some point. As far as I can see, and I may be hugely wrong, nobody has produced anything at all. Am I missing something here?

        • What ethics? 😀

          This is going to come round and bite them eventually. You can’t make accusations forever without providing proof of foul play at some point. As far as I can see, and I may be hugely wrong, nobody has produced anything at all. Am I missing something here?

      • Well, if they were not a bitter labour people, I am sure they would agree that you are right. However as things are it is any port in a storm for them, ethics are out of the window.

    • Leswil, I’m still waiting to hear from anyone why the politician and party with the least amount of personal contact with NI and Murdoch should have to answer any questions or why it should be the SGs responsibility to institute any inquiry. I mean don’t they think the Leveson inquiry did a good enough job, were they somehow remiss in the execution of their duties?

    • Also saw it and thought MacWhirter is becoming a very bitter man he I thought was more fair than others not now.

    • Also saw it and thought MacWhirter is becoming a very bitter man he I thought was more fair than others not now.

    • Have to agree. I only watched a few minutes of the programme. That was enough. It was clear to me, and it looks like to most people, that Iain Macwhirter looks quite desperate and slightly pathetic; almost as if he has some sort of gripe or chip on his shoulder about something.

      The political tactics that the BBC are quite clearly employing against Alex Salmond and the SNP are so blatant, as to be obviously to even the causal observer. Given that there are over two years until the referendum, to continue in this vain for that length of time will only give the Scottish public the opportunity to come to view that most of us already have, which is that the BBC are unfit for the purpose that they are paid. And that might not be a bad thing.

    • Have to agree. I only watched a few minutes of the programme. That was enough. It was clear to me, and it looks like to most people, that Iain Macwhirter looks quite desperate and slightly pathetic; almost as if he has some sort of gripe or chip on his shoulder about something.

      The political tactics that the BBC are quite clearly employing against Alex Salmond and the SNP are so blatant, as to be obviously to even the causal observer. Given that there are over two years until the referendum, to continue in this vain for that length of time will only give the Scottish public the opportunity to come to view that most of us already have, which is that the BBC are unfit for the purpose that they are paid. And that might not be a bad thing.

    • The BBC is EXACTLY what it says on the label.
      Pay your licence fee,and thereafter it’s tough luck!
      I have Virgin Cable TV,and for the last couple of months have stayed with UK Newsnight until 11.20pm. by keying in 852 into the Virgin box.
      Stops the unionist twaddle from Scotland on 102 dead in it’s tracks.
      THAT WAY I’VE ALREADY CONSIGNED THEM TO THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY.

    • The BBC is EXACTLY what it says on the label.
      Pay your licence fee,and thereafter it’s tough luck!
      I have Virgin Cable TV,and for the last couple of months have stayed with UK Newsnight until 11.20pm. by keying in 852 into the Virgin box.
      Stops the unionist twaddle from Scotland on 102 dead in it’s tracks.
      THAT WAY I’VE ALREADY CONSIGNED THEM TO THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY.

    • [quote name=”Leswil”]Don’t hear [b]them[/b] complaining about BIAS media coverage.
      Watched BBC Newsnight last night, a utterly contemptible with a non stop tirade against Alex Salmond, McWhirter spewing out bile along with Brewer and the other guy.
      No SNP representation just a witch hunt.
      HOW CAN THEY DENY CLAIMS OF BIAS, the BBC is breaching all the rules and no one can contain them. They are no longer credible. Also front page of yesterday’s Scotsman ( aka “THE UNIONIST TIMES” ) was equally as bad. There is no rules now, we have to realise this, no one will help us, we need to use everything we can to counter them. Perhaps the European Court of Justice, if that is a possibility.
      Otherwise I suggest we start with a PETITION against the BBC enmasse.[/quote]

      Thoroughly agree with you Leswil. I too watched Brewer’s Newsnight hatefest against Alex Salmond. He even finished by exhibititng only ONE newspaper headline for the following day – the Scotsman (of course!) quoting Willie Rennie’s disgraceful slur on Sir Peter Housden, Scotland’s top civil servant, claiming he is an “SNP lackey”.

      So much for fair and balanced reporting from our Britnat Bullsh*t Corporation.

    • [quote name=”Leswil”]Don’t hear [b]them[/b] complaining about BIAS media coverage.
      Watched BBC Newsnight last night, a utterly contemptible with a non stop tirade against Alex Salmond, McWhirter spewing out bile along with Brewer and the other guy.
      No SNP representation just a witch hunt.
      HOW CAN THEY DENY CLAIMS OF BIAS, the BBC is breaching all the rules and no one can contain them. They are no longer credible. Also front page of yesterday’s Scotsman ( aka “THE UNIONIST TIMES” ) was equally as bad. There is no rules now, we have to realise this, no one will help us, we need to use everything we can to counter them. Perhaps the European Court of Justice, if that is a possibility.
      Otherwise I suggest we start with a PETITION against the BBC enmasse.[/quote]

      Thoroughly agree with you Leswil. I too watched Brewer’s Newsnight hatefest against Alex Salmond. He even finished by exhibititng only ONE newspaper headline for the following day – the Scotsman (of course!) quoting Willie Rennie’s disgraceful slur on Sir Peter Housden, Scotland’s top civil servant, claiming he is an “SNP lackey”.

      So much for fair and balanced reporting from our Britnat Bullsh*t Corporation.

  10. Don’t hear [b]them[/b] complaining about BIAS media coverage.
    Watched BBC Newsnight last night, a utterly contemptible with a non stop tirade against Alex Salmond, McWhirter spewing out bile along with Brewer and the other guy.
    No SNP representation just a witch hunt.
    HOW CAN THEY DENY CLAIMS OF BIAS, the BBC is breaching all the rules and no one can contain them. They are no longer credible. Also front page of yesterday’s Scotsman ( aka “THE UNIONIST TIMES” ) was equally as bad. There is no rules now, we have to realise this, no one will help us, we need to use everything we can to counter them. Perhaps the European Court of Justice, if that is a possibility.
    Otherwise I suggest we start with a PETITION against the BBC enmasse.

  11. With regards to low turnout, if newspapers were fulfilling their proper role in society in informing and disseminating information, we would have leaders and articles in the run up to the elections proclaiming their importance.

    Instead, we get a stream of artificially induced bile and invective directed at Alex Salmond, solely on the basis that that’s what the Unionist spin doctors ordered.

    Further, they talk down the elections (when they talk about them at all), thus reducing the electorate’s interest in the first place.

    Hopefully, despite it all, the SNP will prevail today but I am realistic enough to realise that not all will go to plan and any setbacks for the SNP, perceived or otherwise, will be pounced on by our frothing ‘journalists’.

    • The unionist parties have been hoping for a low turnout, even almost actively promoting it by talking about it incessantly. Add in the continous smear against AS, the complete absence of polls in Scotland ahead of the elections, the half empty halls at Lib/Con/Lab conferences, declining party memberships (with SNP rising)….

      The atmosphere of unionist fear is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

      In what scraps I could grab from Scotland subsets in polls I saw nothing to suggest that this will not be a good day for the SNP and a bad one for the unionist parties.

      Fingers crossed, touch wood and all that..

      • I have just revisited the Iain McWhirter comment from yesterday.

        http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/there-is-an-air-of-drift-as-we-head-to-the-polls-today.17480631

        [i]Now, I should of course be stressing here that local elections are supposed to be about local issues: refuse services, potholes, local sleaze, trams and so on. But they rarely are. The electoral system anyway makes it very difficult to vote on local issues because PR generates shifting coalitions. How do Edinburghers express their fury at the trams fiasco when all the main parties are implicated one way or another, with the exception of the Tories perhaps? In the absence of elected mayors – identifiable, buck-stopping civic personalities like Ken and Boris in London – local voters tend to use their votes to pass a verdict on the state of the national government. [/i]

        I didn’t notice that disengenous statement about Edinburgh Trams the first time around.

        It would appear from that statement that its the SNP’s fault not the Tories so feel free to punish them at local election level.

        Shame on you, Iain.

        • “Shame on you, Iain.”
          Writing for a unionist/anti-independence newspaper,in the guise of balanced political journalism.
          I just swith him off now,on the rare occasions he pops up.
          They don’t like to be ignored.

        • “Shame on you, Iain.”
          Writing for a unionist/anti-independence newspaper,in the guise of balanced political journalism.
          I just swith him off now,on the rare occasions he pops up.
          They don’t like to be ignored.

      • I have just revisited the Iain McWhirter comment from yesterday.

        http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/there-is-an-air-of-drift-as-we-head-to-the-polls-today.17480631

        [i]Now, I should of course be stressing here that local elections are supposed to be about local issues: refuse services, potholes, local sleaze, trams and so on. But they rarely are. The electoral system anyway makes it very difficult to vote on local issues because PR generates shifting coalitions. How do Edinburghers express their fury at the trams fiasco when all the main parties are implicated one way or another, with the exception of the Tories perhaps? In the absence of elected mayors – identifiable, buck-stopping civic personalities like Ken and Boris in London – local voters tend to use their votes to pass a verdict on the state of the national government. [/i]

        I didn’t notice that disengenous statement about Edinburgh Trams the first time around.

        It would appear from that statement that its the SNP’s fault not the Tories so feel free to punish them at local election level.

        Shame on you, Iain.

      • “complete absence of polls in Scotland ahead of the elections,” – Skier, do you think that polls were taken and not published, or just not taken? What you say makes scary reading.

          • Doesn’t the Electoral Commission have any say on polls? From what you say, it seems public money was spent (yougov) and the results instead of being published were suppressed.

          • Doesn’t the Electoral Commission have any say on polls? From what you say, it seems public money was spent (yougov) and the results instead of being published were suppressed.

      • “complete absence of polls in Scotland ahead of the elections,” – Skier, do you think that polls were taken and not published, or just not taken? What you say makes scary reading.

    • The unionist parties have been hoping for a low turnout, even almost actively promoting it by talking about it incessantly. Add in the continous smear against AS, the complete absence of polls in Scotland ahead of the elections, the half empty halls at Lib/Con/Lab conferences, declining party memberships (with SNP rising)….

      The atmosphere of unionist fear is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

      In what scraps I could grab from Scotland subsets in polls I saw nothing to suggest that this will not be a good day for the SNP and a bad one for the unionist parties.

      Fingers crossed, touch wood and all that..

    • Louperdog, You have hit the nail on the head, until the media report the facts rather than create scandals the lack of interest can only get worse.

    • Louperdog, You have hit the nail on the head, until the media report the facts rather than create scandals the lack of interest can only get worse.

  12. With regards to low turnout, if newspapers were fulfilling their proper role in society in informing and disseminating information, we would have leaders and articles in the run up to the elections proclaiming their importance.

    Instead, we get a stream of artificially induced bile and invective directed at Alex Salmond, solely on the basis that that’s what the Unionist spin doctors ordered.

    Further, they talk down the elections (when they talk about them at all), thus reducing the electorate’s interest in the first place.

    Hopefully, despite it all, the SNP will prevail today but I am realistic enough to realise that not all will go to plan and any setbacks for the SNP, perceived or otherwise, will be pounced on by our frothing ‘journalists’.

  13. Hi Leswil,
    I agree entirely about the anti-Independence Newsnight and the BBC in particular.

    I was thinking exactly the same thoughts as yourself.

    Personnaly, I just dont pay to be brainwashed by the BBC or “Scottish” MSM. (So I accept that I don’t have a say in the anti-Independence dross they spew out.)

    Russia Today and other international outlets give a far more accurate and balanced coverage of any subject you can think of. All available free on the internet.

    • Jim,
      Fact is the Russian media has no credibility either as in the Russian elections they behaved just like the BBC.
      However, when it comes to the UK, they are only too happy to look at what is happening to us and point out the problems.
      So whatever the reason I still welcome that.
      It is a pity the SUN has been castrated who are now too scared to talk seriously about politics in any meaningful way. However I do hope they bounce back to give labour a left hook!!

    • Jim,
      Fact is the Russian media has no credibility either as in the Russian elections they behaved just like the BBC.
      However, when it comes to the UK, they are only too happy to look at what is happening to us and point out the problems.
      So whatever the reason I still welcome that.
      It is a pity the SUN has been castrated who are now too scared to talk seriously about politics in any meaningful way. However I do hope they bounce back to give labour a left hook!!

  14. Hi Leswil,
    I agree entirely about the anti-Independence Newsnight and the BBC in particular.

    I was thinking exactly the same thoughts as yourself.

    Personnaly, I just dont pay to be brainwashed by the BBC or “Scottish” MSM. (So I accept that I don’t have a say in the anti-Independence dross they spew out.)

    Russia Today and other international outlets give a far more accurate and balanced coverage of any subject you can think of. All available free on the internet.

  15. Labour are doing very well in England and Wales so it will be interesting to compare how Labour in Scotland fare.

    • They are only doing well because the coalition is doing terribly. Even the Tories are losing voters to UKIP!

      • Interesting, so it’s come to that – Labour as protest vote. A rather soft position for one of the 2 “main parties”.

        • [quote name=”Marga B”]Interesting, so it’s come to that – Labour as protest vote. A rather soft position for one of the 2 “main parties”.[/quote]

          Mischievous point – I wonder if the SNP had put up candidates in the North of England constituencies, how much of the anti-Coalition protest votes they might have attracted. As it was, the only “protest” vote available was either Labour or the far right parties of UKIP, BNP or EDL.

        • [quote name=”Marga B”]Interesting, so it’s come to that – Labour as protest vote. A rather soft position for one of the 2 “main parties”.[/quote]

          Mischievous point – I wonder if the SNP had put up candidates in the North of England constituencies, how much of the anti-Coalition protest votes they might have attracted. As it was, the only “protest” vote available was either Labour or the far right parties of UKIP, BNP or EDL.

      • Interesting, so it’s come to that – Labour as protest vote. A rather soft position for one of the 2 “main parties”.

    • They are only doing well because the coalition is doing terribly. Even the Tories are losing voters to UKIP!

    • It will indeed. Tories and Lib Dems south of the border are claiming it’s the usual mid term council elections in which the govt. of the day always take a pasting – and thats true, it happens a lot.

      Interesting that the Labour gains in Wales have come against calls to ‘send a message to Cameron in Westminster’ and a general negative campaign trying to force national issues rather than local.

      Can’t wait until all those labour councils start increasing the council tax next year – thats going to be a huge bonus for us up here in gaining support for independence.

    • It will indeed. Tories and Lib Dems south of the border are claiming it’s the usual mid term council elections in which the govt. of the day always take a pasting – and thats true, it happens a lot.

      Interesting that the Labour gains in Wales have come against calls to ‘send a message to Cameron in Westminster’ and a general negative campaign trying to force national issues rather than local.

      Can’t wait until all those labour councils start increasing the council tax next year – thats going to be a huge bonus for us up here in gaining support for independence.

  16. Labour are doing very well in England and Wales so it will be interesting to compare how Labour in Scotland fare.

  17. In the Guardian: “Plaid under its new leader, Leanne Wood, suffered disappointments, …. Plaid activists argued they were the victims of a UK-wide move towards Labour.”

  18. In the Guardian: “Plaid under its new leader, Leanne Wood, suffered disappointments, …. Plaid activists argued they were the victims of a UK-wide move towards Labour.”

  19. Labour are only doing ‘well’ in England because there is no other alternative to the coalition for many voters down South. In Scotland we have that alternative.

    As for Newsnight last night, surely a good sign. The reduction of the ‘news’ to the continuation of a protracted smear campaign, abetted by the increasingly unhinged MacWhirter. Tactics which reek of desperation and fear.

    • [quote name=”Training Day”]Labour are only doing ‘well’ in England because there is no other alternative to the coalition for many voters down South. In Scotland we have that alternative.

      As for Newsnight last night, surely a good sign. The reduction of the ‘news’ to the continuation of a protracted smear campaign, abetted by the increasingly unhinged MacWhirter. Tactics which reek of desperation and fear.[/quote]
      Agree, the people south of the border have very little alternative of choice between blue or red tory. They must get quite bored with this never ending circus. Good that there is an excellent alternative in Scotland.

    • [quote name=”Training Day”]Labour are only doing ‘well’ in England because there is no other alternative to the coalition for many voters down South. In Scotland we have that alternative.

      As for Newsnight last night, surely a good sign. The reduction of the ‘news’ to the continuation of a protracted smear campaign, abetted by the increasingly unhinged MacWhirter. Tactics which reek of desperation and fear.[/quote]
      Agree, the people south of the border have very little alternative of choice between blue or red tory. They must get quite bored with this never ending circus. Good that there is an excellent alternative in Scotland.

    • I used to have a lot of time for McWhirter but he has completely lost the plot over this one.
      He obviously has a visceral hatred of Murdoch which is badly affecting his judgement.

      I despise the Murdoch empire too, but his papers here are no worse than any of the others and substantially better than most.
      C.F those owned by the Barclays, the Pornographer, Johnstone Press and bottom of the rotting pile – the Daily Mail.

    • I used to have a lot of time for McWhirter but he has completely lost the plot over this one.
      He obviously has a visceral hatred of Murdoch which is badly affecting his judgement.

      I despise the Murdoch empire too, but his papers here are no worse than any of the others and substantially better than most.
      C.F those owned by the Barclays, the Pornographer, Johnstone Press and bottom of the rotting pile – the Daily Mail.

  20. Labour are only doing ‘well’ in England because there is no other alternative to the coalition for many voters down South. In Scotland we have that alternative.

    As for Newsnight last night, surely a good sign. The reduction of the ‘news’ to the continuation of a protracted smear campaign, abetted by the increasingly unhinged MacWhirter. Tactics which reek of desperation and fear.

  21. once again we have the BBC allowing punters to call the first minister a dictator unchallenged and no comment made.
    isn’t it great kaye is back allowing any comment to be made with no comeback.
    SID

    • Earlier…

      We also had Gary Robertson telling us that the trams fiasco is the fault of the SNP and libdems, no mention of Labour at all. He neglected to mention the facts of the matter and only at the end did he in passing say the minority SNP gov tried to scrap it.

      Really disengenuous stuff.

      • This is the type of spin and lies that makes me really angry. Probably many other people as well, putting them off politics. No wonder voter turnout is down. Though, on a more positive note, it seems that overall turnout is higher in Scotland than in England/Wales.

      • This is the type of spin and lies that makes me really angry. Probably many other people as well, putting them off politics. No wonder voter turnout is down. Though, on a more positive note, it seems that overall turnout is higher in Scotland than in England/Wales.

    • Earlier…

      We also had Gary Robertson telling us that the trams fiasco is the fault of the SNP and libdems, no mention of Labour at all. He neglected to mention the facts of the matter and only at the end did he in passing say the minority SNP gov tried to scrap it.

      Really disengenuous stuff.

  22. once again we have the BBC allowing punters to call the first minister a dictator unchallenged and no comment made.
    isn’t it great kaye is back allowing any comment to be made with no comeback.
    SID

  23. I assume with the heavy emphasis on the poor turnout in Scotland that England and Wales had a great turn out.

    A google search doesn’t appear to generate too many “record low turn out for England feared” headlines but the Scotland News has plenty along these lines.

    As for Newsnicht and the cosy triumvirate of Hassan, McWhirter and Brewer obviously looking for a route to let them love Labour again whilst promulgating “the SNP’s a dictatorship” line, nothing new there. The Scotsman headline was something else though.

    Have you ever heard of a civil servant being derided as a Labour lackey or a Tory lackey?

    Me neither.

    Beyond irony that the ” lackey” accusation should come from Willie Rennie.

    • [quote name=”GrassyKnollington”]I assume with the heavy emphasis on the poor turnout in Scotland that England and Wales had a great turn out.

      A google search doesn’t appear to generate too many “record low turn out for England feared” headlines but the Scotland News has plenty along these lines.

      As for Newsnicht and the cosy triumvirate of Hassan, McWhirter and Brewer obviously looking for a route to let them love Labour again whilst promulgating “the SNP’s a dictatorship” line, nothing new there. The Scotsman headline was something else though.

      Have you ever heard of a civil servant being derided as a Labour lackey or a Tory Lackey?

      Me neither.

      [b]Beyond irony that the ” lackey” accusation should come from Willie Rennie[/b].[/quote]

      Or indeed any of them, as they are all willing lackeys to their London masters.

    • [quote name=”GrassyKnollington”]I assume with the heavy emphasis on the poor turnout in Scotland that England and Wales had a great turn out.

      A google search doesn’t appear to generate too many “record low turn out for England feared” headlines but the Scotland News has plenty along these lines.

      As for Newsnicht and the cosy triumvirate of Hassan, McWhirter and Brewer obviously looking for a route to let them love Labour again whilst promulgating “the SNP’s a dictatorship” line, nothing new there. The Scotsman headline was something else though.

      Have you ever heard of a civil servant being derided as a Labour lackey or a Tory Lackey?

      Me neither.

      [b]Beyond irony that the ” lackey” accusation should come from Willie Rennie[/b].[/quote]

      Or indeed any of them, as they are all willing lackeys to their London masters.

    • “cosy triumvirate of Hassan, McWhirter and Brewer”.
      Must be a term for three unionist males of a certain age,all chattering in unison?

    • “cosy triumvirate of Hassan, McWhirter and Brewer”.
      Must be a term for three unionist males of a certain age,all chattering in unison?

  24. I assume with the heavy emphasis on the poor turnout in Scotland that England and Wales had a great turn out.

    A google search doesn’t appear to generate too many “record low turn out for England feared” headlines but the Scotland News has plenty along these lines.

    As for Newsnicht and the cosy triumvirate of Hassan, McWhirter and Brewer obviously looking for a route to let them love Labour again whilst promulgating “the SNP’s a dictatorship” line, nothing new there. The Scotsman headline was something else though.

    Have you ever heard of a civil servant being derided as a Labour lackey or a Tory lackey?

    Me neither.

    Beyond irony that the ” lackey” accusation should come from Willie Rennie.

  25. All these arguments about local-vs-national politics would disappear under the SDA proposals for local government. No party politics or politicians in local government is the base line

    Independents for Independence is my mantra

  26. All these arguments about local-vs-national politics would disappear under the SDA proposals for local government. No party politics or politicians in local government is the base line

    Independents for Independence is my mantra

  27. You wouldnt have thought there was elections in Portree yesterday, a severe lack of leaflets ,and apart from the SNP councillor Ian Renwick , the only other leaflets I recieved was from an independent and a Lib Dem who by all accounts is not going to be re elected due to several things and voters being disenchanted , although speaking toone of thepeople in the election station , there was a steady stream of voters but not so many younger ones which might cause problems as this area has alway up until the last Scottish Elections been Lib Dem ,which they lost to SNP, but the candidates for the Portree Ward was from the top 1 SNP ,4 Independents, 1 Libdem,1 Labour and 1 Con ,so made it easy for voting as that was the basic layout for the voting slip

  28. You wouldnt have thought there was elections in Portree yesterday, a severe lack of leaflets ,and apart from the SNP councillor Ian Renwick , the only other leaflets I recieved was from an independent and a Lib Dem who by all accounts is not going to be re elected due to several things and voters being disenchanted , although speaking toone of thepeople in the election station , there was a steady stream of voters but not so many younger ones which might cause problems as this area has alway up until the last Scottish Elections been Lib Dem ,which they lost to SNP, but the candidates for the Portree Ward was from the top 1 SNP ,4 Independents, 1 Libdem,1 Labour and 1 Con ,so made it easy for voting as that was the basic layout for the voting slip

  29. The Herald, which I despise, is, however running an Election 2012 Blog.
    They reported at 0958 that SNP recorded gains in Ward 1 Stirling

    • 9:55: Tom Gordon has been chatting to politicians at the count in Glasgow. “Ex Labour MSP tells me ‘We’ve won the campaign’. Probable translation: ‘We’ve lost the council'”

      • Interesting that the Herald is using the same picture to head up its blog as the Guardian. Conspiracy theorists take note 😉

      • Interesting that the Herald is using the same picture to head up its blog as the Guardian. Conspiracy theorists take note 😉

    • 9:55: Tom Gordon has been chatting to politicians at the count in Glasgow. “Ex Labour MSP tells me ‘We’ve won the campaign’. Probable translation: ‘We’ve lost the council'”

  30. The Herald, which I despise, is, however running an Election 2012 Blog.
    They reported at 0958 that SNP recorded gains in Ward 1 Stirling

  31. Osborne’s ham fisted budget has been a gift to Labour in England and Wales. It almost makes Milliband seem electable. It will be interesting to see if any of that bubble has drifted across the border. I would be surprised if it hasn’t solidified some of the softer traditional Labour vote. It might result in not a lot of change in the Scottish councils. If the SNP make gains then Lamont is going to be under pressure from London when everywhere else in the UK is on the up.

  32. Osborne’s ham fisted budget has been a gift to Labour in England and Wales. It almost makes Milliband seem electable. It will be interesting to see if any of that bubble has drifted across the border. I would be surprised if it hasn’t solidified some of the softer traditional Labour vote. It might result in not a lot of change in the Scottish councils. If the SNP make gains then Lamont is going to be under pressure from London when everywhere else in the UK is on the up.

  33. My point about comparing Labour’s performance in Scotland to England & Wales is about discerning how much divergence there is politically. The SNP in Scotland are in the same position as Conservatives and Lib-Dems in England i.e. the government. In England and Wales the government parties are being ‘punished’ and even Plaid are losing seats. If Scotland voted the same as England and Wales then Labour would make big gains and the SNP would be making losses. Of course our wonderful media never point out the SNP’s position as an incumbent government liable to be ‘punished’!

  34. My point about comparing Labour’s performance in Scotland to England & Wales is about discerning how much divergence there is politically. The SNP in Scotland are in the same position as Conservatives and Lib-Dems in England i.e. the government. In England and Wales the government parties are being ‘punished’ and even Plaid are losing seats. If Scotland voted the same as England and Wales then Labour would make big gains and the SNP would be making losses. Of course our wonderful media never point out the SNP’s position as an incumbent government liable to be ‘punished’!

  35. Just caught a bit of BBC24 about Aberdeen and how the North East was Salmond’s fiefdom Aberdeen was nearly bankrupt before the last local elections but no mention that it was LABOUR who nearly made it bankrupt.

    • Yes I noticed that too .. also the BBC prat said something along the lines of .. ‘local councillors have felt the heel of Alex Salmond’ .. disgusting smearing propaganda

    • Yes I noticed that too .. also the BBC prat said something along the lines of .. ‘local councillors have felt the heel of Alex Salmond’ .. disgusting smearing propaganda

  36. Just caught a bit of BBC24 about Aberdeen and how the North East was Salmond’s fiefdom Aberdeen was nearly bankrupt before the last local elections but no mention that it was LABOUR who nearly made it bankrupt.

    • [quote name=”tartanfever”]I’m sure many are following the results as they happen on the BBC website, for those that aren’t here’s the link where you can follow live texts and updates:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-17951303

      In terms of TV coverage, from what I can see there are programmes this afternoon on BBC2 (interspersed between bouts of snooker) starting at 12pm.[/quote]
      Checked it out and I noticed it was open for comments! opportunities there to let the BBC know one’s thoughts!

    • [quote name=”tartanfever”]I’m sure many are following the results as they happen on the BBC website, for those that aren’t here’s the link where you can follow live texts and updates:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-17951303

      In terms of TV coverage, from what I can see there are programmes this afternoon on BBC2 (interspersed between bouts of snooker) starting at 12pm.[/quote]
      Checked it out and I noticed it was open for comments! opportunities there to let the BBC know one’s thoughts!

  37. Tartan Fever

    i think Herald is slicker. Maybe some kind technocrat would do a link on my ageing behalf?

  38. Tartan Fever

    i think Herald is slicker. Maybe some kind technocrat would do a link on my ageing behalf?

  39. This is the Herald page

    [url]http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/rolling-blog-election-results-day.2012052478[/url]

    I see the SNP’s Annette Valentine got most 1 votes in Motherwell West

    Difficult to tell how solid Labour’s vote has remained yet but there is no sign of a Coalition style collapse for the SNP either….not that one was expected, this is a different show altogether.

  40. This is the Herald page

    [url]http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/rolling-blog-election-results-day.2012052478[/url]

    I see the SNP’s Annette Valentine got most 1 votes in Motherwell West

    Difficult to tell how solid Labour’s vote has remained yet but there is no sign of a Coalition style collapse for the SNP either….not that one was expected, this is a different show altogether.

  41. I thought MacWhirter and Hassan made a case for their side in this Murdoch kabuki. The failure was that of the BBC to provide two other pundits of the other persuasion to put the counter argument.

    It is almost invariably the case that if there is pro independence, or pro SNP, or pro Salmond, representation [i]at all[/i] on Newsnicht, Daily Politics, et al, (pick your poison dependent on their angle of attack), that spokesman is outnumbered two or three to one.

    I think that last night’s offering was a disgrace which seriously gives the lie to the BBC protestations of innocence whenever it is charged with bias.

    The power of the BBC, and the danger it presents to the quest for Scottish self determination, is that it is [b][i]believed[/i][/b] by the Great Unwashed. It is deemed neutral and fair by the average punter.

    What needs to be prioritized is not offering counterpoint to every dingbat charge the opposition dreams up, but in neutralizing the effectiveness of the conduit through which it is disseminated.

    [b]A lie unchallenged is a lie believed.[/b]

    There is a crying need for a coordinated and concerted effort to undermine the risible notion of BBC impartiality, by drawing the attention of the electorate to it, again and again, and again, until it is inculcated into the public consciousness.

    It is clear now that this is the strategy of the opposition WRT the First Minister. Bring down Salmond, and you cripple the independence movement.

    While each attack in itself presents no existential threat, the constant stream of attacks, day after, week, after month, after year, will take its toll and serve to destroy the First Minister’s credibility and blacken his reputation (or so they believe).

    The opposition cannot possibly hope to achieve this without the complicity of the press and other media, united in common cause, in pursuit of that goal.

    The central pillar of that unholy alliance is the state broadcasting system – the BBC. We cannot hope to unstick the Beeb and force change in its institutional position on independence, but we CAN go far to ameliorating its toxic influence on the outcome of the plebiscite on independence, by hammering home the message of its political corruption.

    • I have sent an email to the Scottish Minister with Media and broadcasting in their portfolio.
      (Fiona Hyslop MSP).

      I have expressed the growing concern about the impartiality of the BBC and noted that despite that the BBC/Broadcasting is reserved to Westminster I asked if they/she considers that the BBC in Scotland provides fair and balanced political coverage.
      (I also cited suspension of blogging uniquely in Scotland)

      They have acknowledged receipt and I am waitng a reply (Since 24/04).

      If the SNP Government does not reply or considers that the BBC are impartial, then there is very little we can do.

      If they do believe there is a case to make then we need to lobby to get them to make such a statement, overtly, to get official responses from the BBC and increase awareness.

      Note: I also mentioned the BBC blogs because it impacts all users across the service not just SNP and as a government of all it represents a lower level of service compared to the rest of the UK. Then couple this with the huge need for debate in Scotland over our constitutional future. Stopping the service at this very time points to information manipulation, bias and discrimination from the BBC.

      • Very good point regarding the Scottish blogs.

        They either need to reopen the Scottish ones, or close them all down. As you say this is actually a reduced service for Scottish licence payers. In effect, discrimination against Scottish people at the most important constitutional time in our history.

        Maybe we need a regime change.

      • Very good point regarding the Scottish blogs.

        They either need to reopen the Scottish ones, or close them all down. As you say this is actually a reduced service for Scottish licence payers. In effect, discrimination against Scottish people at the most important constitutional time in our history.

        Maybe we need a regime change.

    • I have sent an email to the Scottish Minister with Media and broadcasting in their portfolio.
      (Fiona Hyslop MSP).

      I have expressed the growing concern about the impartiality of the BBC and noted that despite that the BBC/Broadcasting is reserved to Westminster I asked if they/she considers that the BBC in Scotland provides fair and balanced political coverage.
      (I also cited suspension of blogging uniquely in Scotland)

      They have acknowledged receipt and I am waitng a reply (Since 24/04).

      If the SNP Government does not reply or considers that the BBC are impartial, then there is very little we can do.

      If they do believe there is a case to make then we need to lobby to get them to make such a statement, overtly, to get official responses from the BBC and increase awareness.

      Note: I also mentioned the BBC blogs because it impacts all users across the service not just SNP and as a government of all it represents a lower level of service compared to the rest of the UK. Then couple this with the huge need for debate in Scotland over our constitutional future. Stopping the service at this very time points to information manipulation, bias and discrimination from the BBC.

    • Christian, well written.
      As I have said the same things until I am blue in the face. However, no one comes up with the answer, ie just who do you refer this bias to? It is all over the media,including almost every interview or article by the BBC, who we pay for!
      I mentioned earlier a petition of complaint to whoever will listen, I think thousands would sign it if it gets out there, could be too big to ignore.
      Or am I wrong?

      • Yes it would be helpful if it gets the issue in front of the electorate.

        I think youtube could serve as another effective and inexpensive platform if used to launch a series of short, humorous videos that make the point simply and clearly.

        The BBC seminar wherein Andrew Neil revealed himself a card-carrying member of the angry wing of the Nasty Party, implacably opposed to any notion of Scottish self determination, provides us a ready made ordinance, to get the thing going.

        That tirade of his could easily be chopped and interspersed by/with BBC denials of bias to produce and explosive effect. If even a single video were to go viral – the impact of the publicity reaching the public consciousness could be invaluable.

        Incomprehensibly, some have discounted Neil, claiming he is not a serving journo. In fact he is much more useful than that; he is an opinion-maker with three TV shows and additionally makes guest appearances on other shows and at other venues.

        He is sold as an avuncular neutral pundit of considerable experience and gravitas, and he is believed. His intolerance is a perfect example the type of aggressive tumor that has matastisized to hold the Beeb in a Union-centered death grip.

      • Yes it would be helpful if it gets the issue in front of the electorate.

        I think youtube could serve as another effective and inexpensive platform if used to launch a series of short, humorous videos that make the point simply and clearly.

        The BBC seminar wherein Andrew Neil revealed himself a card-carrying member of the angry wing of the Nasty Party, implacably opposed to any notion of Scottish self determination, provides us a ready made ordinance, to get the thing going.

        That tirade of his could easily be chopped and interspersed by/with BBC denials of bias to produce and explosive effect. If even a single video were to go viral – the impact of the publicity reaching the public consciousness could be invaluable.

        Incomprehensibly, some have discounted Neil, claiming he is not a serving journo. In fact he is much more useful than that; he is an opinion-maker with three TV shows and additionally makes guest appearances on other shows and at other venues.

        He is sold as an avuncular neutral pundit of considerable experience and gravitas, and he is believed. His intolerance is a perfect example the type of aggressive tumor that has matastisized to hold the Beeb in a Union-centered death grip.

    • Christian, well written.
      As I have said the same things until I am blue in the face. However, no one comes up with the answer, ie just who do you refer this bias to? It is all over the media,including almost every interview or article by the BBC, who we pay for!
      I mentioned earlier a petition of complaint to whoever will listen, I think thousands would sign it if it gets out there, could be too big to ignore.
      Or am I wrong?

    • Start by referring to it as the ‘British Broadcasting Corporation.’
      Is that it’s soft underbelly?

      • good point. RevStu over at Wings over Scotland was highlighting the conflict of interest which the British Broadcasting Corporation has in Scotland. It will experience a cut in income when Scotland regains its independence. This explains the move from misreporting or not reporting news and blocking comment on political blogs to manufacturing news (the NATO “story”).

      • good point. RevStu over at Wings over Scotland was highlighting the conflict of interest which the British Broadcasting Corporation has in Scotland. It will experience a cut in income when Scotland regains its independence. This explains the move from misreporting or not reporting news and blocking comment on political blogs to manufacturing news (the NATO “story”).

    • Start by referring to it as the ‘British Broadcasting Corporation.’
      Is that it’s soft underbelly?

  42. I thought MacWhirter and Hassan made a case for their side in this Murdoch kabuki. The failure was that of the BBC to provide two other pundits of the other persuasion to put the counter argument.

    It is almost invariably the case that if there is pro independence, or pro SNP, or pro Salmond, representation [i]at all[/i] on Newsnicht, Daily Politics, et al, (pick your poison dependent on their angle of attack), that spokesman is outnumbered two or three to one.

    I think that last night’s offering was a disgrace which seriously gives the lie to the BBC protestations of innocence whenever it is charged with bias.

    The power of the BBC, and the danger it presents to the quest for Scottish self determination, is that it is [b][i]believed[/i][/b] by the Great Unwashed. It is deemed neutral and fair by the average punter.

    What needs to be prioritized is not offering counterpoint to every dingbat charge the opposition dreams up, but in neutralizing the effectiveness of the conduit through which it is disseminated.

    [b]A lie unchallenged is a lie believed.[/b]

    There is a crying need for a coordinated and concerted effort to undermine the risible notion of BBC impartiality, by drawing the attention of the electorate to it, again and again, and again, until it is inculcated into the public consciousness.

    It is clear now that this is the strategy of the opposition WRT the First Minister. Bring down Salmond, and you cripple the independence movement.

    While each attack in itself presents no existential threat, the constant stream of attacks, day after, week, after month, after year, will take its toll and serve to destroy the First Minister’s credibility and blacken his reputation (or so they believe).

    The opposition cannot possibly hope to achieve this without the complicity of the press and other media, united in common cause, in pursuit of that goal.

    The central pillar of that unholy alliance is the state broadcasting system – the BBC. We cannot hope to unstick the Beeb and force change in its institutional position on independence, but we CAN go far to ameliorating its toxic influence on the outcome of the plebiscite on independence, by hammering home the message of its political corruption.

  43. [quote]Prof John Curtice says: Dunfermline in Fife also shows the Labour vote up more than the SNP vote since 2007. At the same time the Lib Dem vote is down heavily. It could be that Labour is simply regaining ground it lost in the wake of the 2006 Westminster by-election.[/quote]

    What does that actually mean. Are both up on 2007? 2007 was a high water mark for the SNP.

    • [quote name=”Jim1320″][quote]Prof John Curtice says: Dunfermline in Fife also shows the Labour vote up more than the SNP vote since 2007. At the same time the Lib Dem vote is down heavily. It could be that Labour is simply regaining ground it lost in the wake of the 2006 Westminster by-election.[/quote]

      What does that actually mean. Are both up on 2007? 2007 was a high water mark for the SNP.[/quote]
      The same man was left with egg on his face in 2011

    • [quote name=”Jim1320″][quote]Prof John Curtice says: Dunfermline in Fife also shows the Labour vote up more than the SNP vote since 2007. At the same time the Lib Dem vote is down heavily. It could be that Labour is simply regaining ground it lost in the wake of the 2006 Westminster by-election.[/quote]

      What does that actually mean. Are both up on 2007? 2007 was a high water mark for the SNP.[/quote]
      The same man was left with egg on his face in 2011

  44. [quote]Prof John Curtice says: Dunfermline in Fife also shows the Labour vote up more than the SNP vote since 2007. At the same time the Lib Dem vote is down heavily. It could be that Labour is simply regaining ground it lost in the wake of the 2006 Westminster by-election.[/quote]

    What does that actually mean. Are both up on 2007? 2007 was a high water mark for the SNP.

  45. Gain for SNP on Johann Lamont’s home turf: congratulations to David McDonald and Syed S Jaffri in Greater Pollok

  46. Gain for SNP on Johann Lamont’s home turf: congratulations to David McDonald and Syed S Jaffri in Greater Pollok

  47. Not sure the political map is going to look all that different after today. A few more SNP councillors and possibly a few more Labour councillors with the Coalition being the losers.

  48. Not sure the political map is going to look all that different after today. A few more SNP councillors and possibly a few more Labour councillors with the Coalition being the losers.

  49. BBC UK website seems to be rather slow with it’s Scottish Election results…..could it be there are substantial SNP gains?

    • Unlikely – STV desn’t really give the wild swings that you get with FPTP. The Beeb are just a bit slow.

    • Unlikely – STV desn’t really give the wild swings that you get with FPTP. The Beeb are just a bit slow.

  50. BBC UK website seems to be rather slow with it’s Scottish Election results…..could it be there are substantial SNP gains?

  51. At last some good news for David Cameron. Well…..David Cameron (SNP) who has just been elected in Aberdeen.

    Congratulations to Sandy Taylor in Argyll and Bute: SNP GAIN

  52. At last some good news for David Cameron. Well…..David Cameron (SNP) who has just been elected in Aberdeen.

    Congratulations to Sandy Taylor in Argyll and Bute: SNP GAIN

  53. Ward 3 Fraserburgh and District: Elected Brian Topping (SNP); Charles Buchan (SNP); Ian Tait (IND); Michael Watt (IND)

    • [quote name=”DavieB”]Ward 3 Fraserburgh and District: Elected Brian Topping (SNP); Charles Buchan (SNP); Ian Tait (IND); Michael Watt (IND)[/quote]
      The usual “suspects” Councillor Topping does a good job in the Broch , and the two independents have also done good stuff ,I have no views on the other SNP councillor as he wasnt evident when I stayed there

    • [quote name=”DavieB”]Ward 3 Fraserburgh and District: Elected Brian Topping (SNP); Charles Buchan (SNP); Ian Tait (IND); Michael Watt (IND)[/quote]
      The usual “suspects” Councillor Topping does a good job in the Broch , and the two independents have also done good stuff ,I have no views on the other SNP councillor as he wasnt evident when I stayed there

  54. Ward 3 Fraserburgh and District: Elected Brian Topping (SNP); Charles Buchan (SNP); Ian Tait (IND); Michael Watt (IND)

  55. Seen on BBC Scotland blog:

    “Analysis John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University

    “A second Aberdeen result shows only a very small swing from Labour to SNP since 2007. However, a second result in Glasgow shows a notable swing from Labour to the SNP though not on a scale likely to deliver the SNP a majority. Still there are tentative signs that perhaps the SNP advance in Glasgow might prove stronger than elsewhere in Scotland.”

    Continued:

    “A second result in Fife, this time in Glenrothes, actually shows a decline in SNP support while Labour’s support is well up. Glasgow apart, one might even begin to describe the results we’ve had in so far as remarkably disappointing for the SNP, at least so far as the party’s objective was to end up with a bigger lead over Labour than the very narrow outcome that occurred in 2007.”

    • LOL but immediately counters it with a negative for the SNP in the next blog by saying they won’t get as big a lead over Labour as they hoped. He’s just being balanced.

      If the SNP finish today as the biggest party and make gains after all the crap thrown at them over the last three or four weeks they will have done really well as a party in power…unlike the Coalition in England and Wales.

    • LOL but immediately counters it with a negative for the SNP in the next blog by saying they won’t get as big a lead over Labour as they hoped. He’s just being balanced.

      If the SNP finish today as the biggest party and make gains after all the crap thrown at them over the last three or four weeks they will have done really well as a party in power…unlike the Coalition in England and Wales.

  56. Seen on BBC Scotland blog:

    “Analysis John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University

    “A second Aberdeen result shows only a very small swing from Labour to SNP since 2007. However, a second result in Glasgow shows a notable swing from Labour to the SNP though not on a scale likely to deliver the SNP a majority. Still there are tentative signs that perhaps the SNP advance in Glasgow might prove stronger than elsewhere in Scotland.”

    Continued:

    “A second result in Fife, this time in Glenrothes, actually shows a decline in SNP support while Labour’s support is well up. Glasgow apart, one might even begin to describe the results we’ve had in so far as remarkably disappointing for the SNP, at least so far as the party’s objective was to end up with a bigger lead over Labour than the very narrow outcome that occurred in 2007.”

  57. Gains for SNP across the country, in Angus, Stirling, Glasgow, South Ayrshire, Highland, among others

    I make it 14 SNP gains so far

  58. Gains for SNP across the country, in Angus, Stirling, Glasgow, South Ayrshire, Highland, among others

    I make it 14 SNP gains so far

  59. Glenrothes again (Herald):

    “11.08am: Labour have made an encouraging start in Fife, with another gain in Glenrothes Central and Thornton, this time from the SNP. Two Labour candidates, Ian Crichton and Ian Sloan both returned, along with Ross Vettraino of the SNP. This reverses the make-up of seats in the last election.”

  60. Glenrothes again (Herald):

    “11.08am: Labour have made an encouraging start in Fife, with another gain in Glenrothes Central and Thornton, this time from the SNP. Two Labour candidates, Ian Crichton and Ian Sloan both returned, along with Ross Vettraino of the SNP. This reverses the make-up of seats in the last election.”

  61. Strathmartine ward result – Stewart Hunter (SNP) John Alexander (SNP), Kevin Keenan (Labour) and Ian Borthwick (IND)

  62. Strathmartine ward result – Stewart Hunter (SNP) John Alexander (SNP), Kevin Keenan (Labour) and Ian Borthwick (IND)

  63. [quote]Contrary to what was expected before today, it looks as though Labour’s performance in Scotland is not going to be wildly divergent from that south of the border.[/quote]

    Prof Curtice again

    It would be helpful if the Beeb actually had a seats won/lost table to see what he is basing this on because although Labour holding up quite well in their heartlands I don’t see them taking seats off the SNP in their heartlands which is what Labour have done in England.

    Are they going to paint not doing as badly as expected and coming second as a crushing victory?

  64. [quote]Contrary to what was expected before today, it looks as though Labour’s performance in Scotland is not going to be wildly divergent from that south of the border.[/quote]

    Prof Curtice again

    It would be helpful if the Beeb actually had a seats won/lost table to see what he is basing this on because although Labour holding up quite well in their heartlands I don’t see them taking seats off the SNP in their heartlands which is what Labour have done in England.

    Are they going to paint not doing as badly as expected and coming second as a crushing victory?

  65. 147: John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University

    “A fourth Glasgow result shows a large swing to the SNP of just the kind they would need to win overall control. It is certainly beginning to look as though Glasgow is going to be one of the better stories for the SNP in Scotland today.”

    Well done the SNP

  66. 147: John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University

    “A fourth Glasgow result shows a large swing to the SNP of just the kind they would need to win overall control. It is certainly beginning to look as though Glasgow is going to be one of the better stories for the SNP in Scotland today.”

    Well done the SNP

  67. 1147: John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University “A fourth Glasgow result shows a large swing to the SNP of just the kind they would need to win overall control. It is certainly beginning to look as though Glasgow is going to be one of the better stories for the SNP in Scotland today.”

  68. 1147: John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University “A fourth Glasgow result shows a large swing to the SNP of just the kind they would need to win overall control. It is certainly beginning to look as though Glasgow is going to be one of the better stories for the SNP in Scotland today.”

  69. [quote]John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University

    “A fourth Glasgow result shows a large swing to the SNP of just the kind they would need to win overall control. It is certainly beginning to look as though Glasgow is going to be one of the better stories for the SNP in Scotland today.”[/quote]

    Curtice’s “opinion” is swinging more than the votes at the moment.

    If SNP take Glasgow Lamont’s shoogely Peg will look a little looser that ever!

  70. [quote]John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University

    “A fourth Glasgow result shows a large swing to the SNP of just the kind they would need to win overall control. It is certainly beginning to look as though Glasgow is going to be one of the better stories for the SNP in Scotland today.”[/quote]

    Curtice’s “opinion” is swinging more than the votes at the moment.

    If SNP take Glasgow Lamont’s shoogely Peg will look a little looser that ever!

  71. Andrew Black Political reporter, BBC Scotland While there’s no definitive picture in Scotland as yet, there are inital signs that voters have turned away from the two coalition parties, the Tories and Lib Dems, which is what seems to be happening in England. There are also indications the vote has gone to the SNP and Labour, meaning the Nationalists may not have made the dent in the Labour vote across Scotland that they were hoping for. Things could be going well for the SNP in Glasgow, though.

    • This could be explained by the non-Glasgow areas having woken up to Labour long ago, and therefore there being less scope for big moves towards the SNP in these areas.

      Perhaps Glasgow, is finally falling into line with the rest of Scotland?

      Curtice just opens his mouth and lets his belly rumble, by the way.

      • A good observation, TE

        (OT: I used to call my, now sadly deceased, cat ‘Miss Triangular Ears’! :O)

        • My favourite feature of the cat, along with whiskers, tail, purr, their INDEPENDENCE, beauty, grace…….

          • Finnish spitzes (our national dog) also have trinagular ears, along with beautiful red fur and nice curved tails. No purr or whiskers or grace, though. And cats definitely win on the INDEPENDENCE stakes. The Finnish coat of arms has a lion rampant – a bit like Scotland.

          • Finnish spitzes (our national dog) also have trinagular ears, along with beautiful red fur and nice curved tails. No purr or whiskers or grace, though. And cats definitely win on the INDEPENDENCE stakes. The Finnish coat of arms has a lion rampant – a bit like Scotland.

        • My favourite feature of the cat, along with whiskers, tail, purr, their INDEPENDENCE, beauty, grace…….

      • A good observation, TE

        (OT: I used to call my, now sadly deceased, cat ‘Miss Triangular Ears’! :O)

    • This could be explained by the non-Glasgow areas having woken up to Labour long ago, and therefore there being less scope for big moves towards the SNP in these areas.

      Perhaps Glasgow, is finally falling into line with the rest of Scotland?

      Curtice just opens his mouth and lets his belly rumble, by the way.

  72. Andrew Black Political reporter, BBC Scotland While there’s no definitive picture in Scotland as yet, there are inital signs that voters have turned away from the two coalition parties, the Tories and Lib Dems, which is what seems to be happening in England. There are also indications the vote has gone to the SNP and Labour, meaning the Nationalists may not have made the dent in the Labour vote across Scotland that they were hoping for. Things could be going well for the SNP in Glasgow, though.

  73. keep clicking on BBC UK website Council Results..no results from Scotland yet and it’s past midday?

  74. keep clicking on BBC UK website Council Results..no results from Scotland yet and it’s past midday?

  75. 1159: John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University “First result from Edinburgh shows the SNP up far more than Labour in the wake of a substantial collapse in the Lib Dem vote.”

  76. 1159: John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University “First result from Edinburgh shows the SNP up far more than Labour in the wake of a substantial collapse in the Lib Dem vote.”

  77. SNP vote increases 7.8% in #Stirling – first city to declare in Scotland and #SNP becomes largest party #sc12

  78. SNP vote increases 7.8% in #Stirling – first city to declare in Scotland and #SNP becomes largest party #sc12

      • [quote name=”Dundonian West”]Great news for Dundee.[/quote]
        yup, let us move on from this to help the people of the city and ultimately to an Independent Scotland. Well done the people of Dundee.

        • [quote name=”balgayboy”][quote name=”Dundonian West”]Great news for Dundee.[/quote]
          yup, let us move on from this to help the people of the city and ultimately to an Independent Scotland. Well done the people of Dundee.[/quote]

          Proud of Dundee 🙂 My home town !

        • [quote name=”balgayboy”][quote name=”Dundonian West”]Great news for Dundee.[/quote]
          yup, let us move on from this to help the people of the city and ultimately to an Independent Scotland. Well done the people of Dundee.[/quote]

          Proud of Dundee 🙂 My home town !

      • [quote name=”Dundonian West”]Great news for Dundee.[/quote]
        yup, let us move on from this to help the people of the city and ultimately to an Independent Scotland. Well done the people of Dundee.

  79. Copied from the BBC Scottish council elections live thingie:

    [quote]Kezia Dugdale MSP tweets: Lets be honest – this electronic counting malarkey takes all the fun and drama out of the count #edelect[/quote]

    Pure Labour. Just have to put a negative slant on anything and everything! 😀

    Exciting times. Keeping my fingers crossed for SNP – though it doesn’t seem to be like the landslide last year. However, for a government party to gain votes is quite good.

  80. Copied from the BBC Scottish council elections live thingie:

    [quote]Kezia Dugdale MSP tweets: Lets be honest – this electronic counting malarkey takes all the fun and drama out of the count #edelect[/quote]

    Pure Labour. Just have to put a negative slant on anything and everything! 😀

    Exciting times. Keeping my fingers crossed for SNP – though it doesn’t seem to be like the landslide last year. However, for a government party to gain votes is quite good.

  81. 12:25: Some Labour councillors are starting to predict they will gain an overall majority in Glasgow, as the SNP struggle.

  82. 12:25: Some Labour councillors are starting to predict they will gain an overall majority in Glasgow, as the SNP struggle.

  83. John “the truth is” Curtice: “These results are going to be a disappointment to the SNP”

    [i]Party in government gains seats[/i], is NOT the normal political script.

    What is that guy on?

  84. John “the truth is” Curtice: “These results are going to be a disappointment to the SNP”

    [i]Party in government gains seats[/i], is NOT the normal political script.

    What is that guy on?

  85. John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University “With detailed results from 28 wards that have been collected by the BBC now available the average change in vote for the four main parties is as follows –

    LABOUR – (+7)
    SNP – (+5)
    CON – (-3)
    LIB DEM – (-9)
    These numbers represent a much smaller increase in SNP support on 2007 than the party achieved in last year’s Scottish Parliament elections. Indeed, they could well mean that Labour end up as slightly the larger party across Scotland as a whole. Meanwhile, what is clear is that the results in Scotland for the Lib Dems are just as bad as in the rest of the UK, as well as in Scotland last year, while the Conservatives look as though they are going to suffer yet another rebuff north of the border.”

  86. John Curtice Professor of politics at Strathclyde University “With detailed results from 28 wards that have been collected by the BBC now available the average change in vote for the four main parties is as follows –

    LABOUR – (+7)
    SNP – (+5)
    CON – (-3)
    LIB DEM – (-9)
    These numbers represent a much smaller increase in SNP support on 2007 than the party achieved in last year’s Scottish Parliament elections. Indeed, they could well mean that Labour end up as slightly the larger party across Scotland as a whole. Meanwhile, what is clear is that the results in Scotland for the Lib Dems are just as bad as in the rest of the UK, as well as in Scotland last year, while the Conservatives look as though they are going to suffer yet another rebuff north of the border.”

  87. love it alex salmond quote “
    the Tories and lib dems complain they
    only lost council seats because there in government well the SNP have been in government 5 years and are gaining
    seats ” lol

  88. love it alex salmond quote “
    the Tories and lib dems complain they
    only lost council seats because there in government well the SNP have been in government 5 years and are gaining
    seats ” lol

  89. Glasgow returns to ‘default’ mode. Shame for all the residents of that great city. makes you wonder just WHAT Labour (don’t) have to do to get thrown out.

    • [quote name=”Aplinal”]Glasgow returns to ‘default’ mode. Shame for all the residents of that great city. makes you wonder just WHAT Labour (don’t) have to do to get thrown out.[/quote]
      The voters of Glasgow obviously seem perfectly happy to live in a state of poverty and social decay.

      It would be interesting to find out what proportion of the half million postal ballots came from Glasgow. That many postal ballots worries me and as a Judge said it is a system open to fraud and abuse on an industrial scale.

    • [quote name=”Aplinal”]Glasgow returns to ‘default’ mode. Shame for all the residents of that great city. makes you wonder just WHAT Labour (don’t) have to do to get thrown out.[/quote]
      The voters of Glasgow obviously seem perfectly happy to live in a state of poverty and social decay.

      It would be interesting to find out what proportion of the half million postal ballots came from Glasgow. That many postal ballots worries me and as a Judge said it is a system open to fraud and abuse on an industrial scale.

    • I don’t get this. We have heard that the SNP gains in Glasgow are bigger than elsewhere, but now it’s a bad result for the SNP in Glasgow. Which one is it?

      I wouldn’t put anything past Labour in Glasgow. They simply cannot be trusted with anything and their tentacles are into everything.

      • The latest results mean SNP can not win an overall majority. BUT, I guess there is still some possibility that they increase their share, and number of Councillors. Glasgow was always a big ask in one go, but I am saddened that it seems Labour might be the largest party.

        I may be a cynic, but I consider all the “Glasgow first” Councillors to be proxy-Labour anyway.

        OK, let’s not predict and wait for the final figures.

      • The latest results mean SNP can not win an overall majority. BUT, I guess there is still some possibility that they increase their share, and number of Councillors. Glasgow was always a big ask in one go, but I am saddened that it seems Labour might be the largest party.

        I may be a cynic, but I consider all the “Glasgow first” Councillors to be proxy-Labour anyway.

        OK, let’s not predict and wait for the final figures.

    • I don’t get this. We have heard that the SNP gains in Glasgow are bigger than elsewhere, but now it’s a bad result for the SNP in Glasgow. Which one is it?

      I wouldn’t put anything past Labour in Glasgow. They simply cannot be trusted with anything and their tentacles are into everything.

  90. Glasgow returns to ‘default’ mode. Shame for all the residents of that great city. makes you wonder just WHAT Labour (don’t) have to do to get thrown out.

  91. I cannot believe Labours vote is holding up.

    Is it posible to get a breakdown of the voting results showing the percentage of postal votes for each party?

  92. I cannot believe Labours vote is holding up.

    Is it posible to get a breakdown of the voting results showing the percentage of postal votes for each party?

  93. Postal votes need to be scrutinised if anything looks suspicious.
    Labour will do ANYTHING to keep power in Glasgow.

    • [quote name=”Leswil”]Postal votes need to be scrutinised if anything looks suspicious.
      Labour will do ANYTHING to keep power in Glasgow.[/quote]
      I hope it’s not true but if so, that the people who did vote for these charlatans realize their choice, meanwhile the rest of Scotland moves on. I just hope one day hopefully they realise what they voted for and bequeathed to their children and grandchildren.

    • [quote name=”Leswil”]Postal votes need to be scrutinised if anything looks suspicious.
      Labour will do ANYTHING to keep power in Glasgow.[/quote]
      I hope it’s not true but if so, that the people who did vote for these charlatans realize their choice, meanwhile the rest of Scotland moves on. I just hope one day hopefully they realise what they voted for and bequeathed to their children and grandchildren.

  94. Postal votes need to be scrutinised if anything looks suspicious.
    Labour will do ANYTHING to keep power in Glasgow.

  95. Given that there were no polls in the run up to these elections, only older ones showing the SNP well ahead in UKGE and Holyrood intentions, what could explain Labour’s vote holding up?

      • If that is true the media will see it as vindication of their fear and smear strategy, and ramp it up accordingly in the run-up to the referendum.

      • If that is true the media will see it as vindication of their fear and smear strategy, and ramp it up accordingly in the run-up to the referendum.

    • Wait until we have all the results – or at least most of them. What is happening is like what happened in England – the Tories and the Libs are suffering. However, in Scotland, Labour are not cashing in alone – the SNP are too. It remains to be seen who will benefit the most, but it should be the SNP.

    • Wait until we have all the results – or at least most of them. What is happening is like what happened in England – the Tories and the Libs are suffering. However, in Scotland, Labour are not cashing in alone – the SNP are too. It remains to be seen who will benefit the most, but it should be the SNP.

    • Up until a few weeks ago Labour were behind in England. It was the complete mismanagement of the Budget that has shot the Tories in both feet and given Labour a boost. I think some of that boost has rubbed off here too and bolstered their core vote. The SNP as the party in power for the last five years might, if people were disgruntled, lose seats but they appear to have gained too. So the SNP remain strong and the Labour has consolidated at the expense of the Coalition. I don’t think the result is all that much of a surprise to be honest.

      Of course Labour have to hope the Tories remain incompetent and that Milliband be seen as a viable alternative. If neither of these happen then the softer Labour vote may crumble once again.

    • Up until a few weeks ago Labour were behind in England. It was the complete mismanagement of the Budget that has shot the Tories in both feet and given Labour a boost. I think some of that boost has rubbed off here too and bolstered their core vote. The SNP as the party in power for the last five years might, if people were disgruntled, lose seats but they appear to have gained too. So the SNP remain strong and the Labour has consolidated at the expense of the Coalition. I don’t think the result is all that much of a surprise to be honest.

      Of course Labour have to hope the Tories remain incompetent and that Milliband be seen as a viable alternative. If neither of these happen then the softer Labour vote may crumble once again.

    • [quote name=”Training Day”]Given that there were no polls in the run up to these elections, only older ones showing the SNP well ahead in UKGE and Holyrood intentions, what could explain Labour’s vote holding up?[/quote]

      It might be that the Lib Dem vote has gone to Labour this time as they are die hard unionists and want to bloody the nose of the SNP.

      If the SNP vote has held up, or increased then after the all out media attacks of the last few weeks then we should take that as a big positive.

    • [quote name=”Training Day”]Given that there were no polls in the run up to these elections, only older ones showing the SNP well ahead in UKGE and Holyrood intentions, what could explain Labour’s vote holding up?[/quote]

      It might be that the Lib Dem vote has gone to Labour this time as they are die hard unionists and want to bloody the nose of the SNP.

      If the SNP vote has held up, or increased then after the all out media attacks of the last few weeks then we should take that as a big positive.

  96. Given that there were no polls in the run up to these elections, only older ones showing the SNP well ahead in UKGE and Holyrood intentions, what could explain Labour’s vote holding up?

      • Indeed. We need Lamont, to ensure a massive YES vote.

        I do wonder how the blatant anti SNP propaganda over the last two weeks by the BBC and the MSM, will have changed some peoples minds. To my mind, it was also clearly co ordinated to ensure there was NO opportunity to expose the Labour manifesto as the bare faced lies it was. As was pointed out in the Parliament earlier this week, the liars at Labour were claiming the SNP had given the steel contracts for the Forth Bridge to China, instead of Scottish steel. (of course they omit to mention that there was no Scottish supplier who bid for the contracts, as NO Scottish steel supplier exists who can fulfil the contracts).

        That blatant bare faced lying by Labour has NOT been addressed by the MSM or BBC.

        • Not forgetting that tendering rules forbid protectionist measures such as giving contracts to domestic suppliers regardless of cost (or existence of said suppliers!). I’m not sure if that applies when dealing with China though.

          • I don’t know, she’s a “mum” giving a bloody nose to “the politicians”. It’s a bit like reality TV, maybe that’s the comfort area normal people operate in these days.

          • I don’t know, she’s a “mum” giving a bloody nose to “the politicians”. It’s a bit like reality TV, maybe that’s the comfort area normal people operate in these days.

        • Not forgetting that tendering rules forbid protectionist measures such as giving contracts to domestic suppliers regardless of cost (or existence of said suppliers!). I’m not sure if that applies when dealing with China though.

      • Indeed. We need Lamont, to ensure a massive YES vote.

        I do wonder how the blatant anti SNP propaganda over the last two weeks by the BBC and the MSM, will have changed some peoples minds. To my mind, it was also clearly co ordinated to ensure there was NO opportunity to expose the Labour manifesto as the bare faced lies it was. As was pointed out in the Parliament earlier this week, the liars at Labour were claiming the SNP had given the steel contracts for the Forth Bridge to China, instead of Scottish steel. (of course they omit to mention that there was no Scottish supplier who bid for the contracts, as NO Scottish steel supplier exists who can fulfil the contracts).

        That blatant bare faced lying by Labour has NOT been addressed by the MSM or BBC.

  97. hmm 1309:

    NORTH LANARKSHIRE COUNCIL: SNP candidate Graham Russell polled 721 first preference votes compared to Peter Sullivan with 630. But under Single Transferable Vote (STV) Sullivan wins seat.

    • Yes, it’s a dilemma as I actually believe that STV is a fairer system than FPTP. Sometimes you have to take the ‘hit’ for the wider good.

      There may be an argument for changing the voting system for the council elections, particularly when there are usually smaller numbers of votes, but what this result tells us is that the SNP were not able to carry over their support to other parties first preference supporters.

      For Sullivan to win on second preference he had to “out-vote” Graham Russell by 92 votes. So the question is, why did other party voters give more second choice to him, and not to the SNP. That has to be part of the analysis of these elections.

      • I’m not as well-versed in psephology as I’d wish to be, and TBH, I’ve never quite understood STV or its merits. It’s PR, which is good, but it’s very difficult for the ordinary voter in the street to work out.

        The PR system that is used in local and GE in my country (a variation of open list d’Hondt) is fairly easy to understand – or maybe I just think so because I’ve grown up with it (?? :D)

        Each party/grouping fields as many candidates as there are seats up for grabs, listed in aphabetical order and given a running number. Voters then write the number of their preferred candidate on the ballot card. (NB: the parties don’t decide the party list order, the voters do!) Then the votes for each party list are counted. Whoever came first in any particular list gets all the party vote as their ‘comparison figure’, whoever came second gets 1/2 , whoever came third gets 1/3 and so on. Then these comparison figures are compared across all the lists (parties) and the top candidates, as per comparison figure, win the seats. This system fairly accurately reflects the popular vote, although it’s a bit biased against minor parties (polling under 5% or less). Another advantage is that the parties cannot decide who they want, the voters do, which I think is a big plus.

        Sorry, long post and going OT too long. I just wonder what these Scottish local election results might be like under a different PR system.

        And I quite agree, FPTP is a very unfair, outdated and undemocratic system, encouraging voter apathy (but quite cushy for the career politicians who’ve sucked up enough to party leaders to be given “safe seats” to contest).

      • I’m not as well-versed in psephology as I’d wish to be, and TBH, I’ve never quite understood STV or its merits. It’s PR, which is good, but it’s very difficult for the ordinary voter in the street to work out.

        The PR system that is used in local and GE in my country (a variation of open list d’Hondt) is fairly easy to understand – or maybe I just think so because I’ve grown up with it (?? :D)

        Each party/grouping fields as many candidates as there are seats up for grabs, listed in aphabetical order and given a running number. Voters then write the number of their preferred candidate on the ballot card. (NB: the parties don’t decide the party list order, the voters do!) Then the votes for each party list are counted. Whoever came first in any particular list gets all the party vote as their ‘comparison figure’, whoever came second gets 1/2 , whoever came third gets 1/3 and so on. Then these comparison figures are compared across all the lists (parties) and the top candidates, as per comparison figure, win the seats. This system fairly accurately reflects the popular vote, although it’s a bit biased against minor parties (polling under 5% or less). Another advantage is that the parties cannot decide who they want, the voters do, which I think is a big plus.

        Sorry, long post and going OT too long. I just wonder what these Scottish local election results might be like under a different PR system.

        And I quite agree, FPTP is a very unfair, outdated and undemocratic system, encouraging voter apathy (but quite cushy for the career politicians who’ve sucked up enough to party leaders to be given “safe seats” to contest).

    • Yes, it’s a dilemma as I actually believe that STV is a fairer system than FPTP. Sometimes you have to take the ‘hit’ for the wider good.

      There may be an argument for changing the voting system for the council elections, particularly when there are usually smaller numbers of votes, but what this result tells us is that the SNP were not able to carry over their support to other parties first preference supporters.

      For Sullivan to win on second preference he had to “out-vote” Graham Russell by 92 votes. So the question is, why did other party voters give more second choice to him, and not to the SNP. That has to be part of the analysis of these elections.

  98. hmm 1309:

    NORTH LANARKSHIRE COUNCIL: SNP candidate Graham Russell polled 721 first preference votes compared to Peter Sullivan with 630. But under Single Transferable Vote (STV) Sullivan wins seat.

  99. BBCs James Cook positively wetting his pants on twitter at GCC story so far.

    This shows the blatant shameless bias is obviously accepted by the Labour voters.

    What will be a positive result WILL be spun BIG time and if this is what the BBC can do for local government elections, look out 2014

    • We need to make Newsnet Scotland even stronger, to counteract the Westminster Television corporation (BBC).

      Our destiny is in our hands.

      We all know the BBC will lie, and deceive, it’s what they do, as they are funded by Westminster, and its management is appointed by the Tory Government.

    • We need to make Newsnet Scotland even stronger, to counteract the Westminster Television corporation (BBC).

      Our destiny is in our hands.

      We all know the BBC will lie, and deceive, it’s what they do, as they are funded by Westminster, and its management is appointed by the Tory Government.

  100. BBCs James Cook positively wetting his pants on twitter at GCC story so far.

    This shows the blatant shameless bias is obviously accepted by the Labour voters.

    What will be a positive result WILL be spun BIG time and if this is what the BBC can do for local government elections, look out 2014

  101. I have been singing this hymn for a long time. We have our work cut out, as this maybe the biggest battle for Scotland in it’s history. Metaphorically speaking of course but it is that important to counteract the Unionist spin, lies,deceit,and whatever else fits.They are proving to be utter low lives with NO
    respect for Democracy unless it is their self interest form of it.
    Makes my blood boil!

  102. I have been singing this hymn for a long time. We have our work cut out, as this maybe the biggest battle for Scotland in it’s history. Metaphorically speaking of course but it is that important to counteract the Unionist spin, lies,deceit,and whatever else fits.They are proving to be utter low lives with NO
    respect for Democracy unless it is their self interest form of it.
    Makes my blood boil!

  103. Congrats to the Labour voters in Glasgow – NOT! Keep voting for anything sporting a red rosette, and like the Tommies in the First World War, you’ll continue to be “lions led by donkeys!”

    • People are free to vote for whoever they wish, however, I do wonder why so many people in Glasgow still vote Labour considering the stink of corruption that goes to the core of Glasgow Labour council.

      Oh, hang on, I remember, most people know nothing of the corruption in Glasgow Labour council, as our ‘state’ broadcaster chooses to make no mention of it whatsoever, despite the fact that it is based in Glasgow.

      If you only watched the BBC, and believed what they told you, you too would likely think Labour were good for Glasgow.

      • Curiously corruption does not seem to stop people from voting. The sense you get is of the “chip on your shoulder” voter voting for “one of us” – the SNP are too “posh”. Lamont perhaps being seen as “one of us”.

        • Yes, and the tragedy is that for a long, long time, few if any Labour politician has been ‘one of us’. But as long as they can dupe their core voters for their own benefit, no need to change or take notice of the voters.

        • Yes, and the tragedy is that for a long, long time, few if any Labour politician has been ‘one of us’. But as long as they can dupe their core voters for their own benefit, no need to change or take notice of the voters.

      • Curiously corruption does not seem to stop people from voting. The sense you get is of the “chip on your shoulder” voter voting for “one of us” – the SNP are too “posh”. Lamont perhaps being seen as “one of us”.

    • People are free to vote for whoever they wish, however, I do wonder why so many people in Glasgow still vote Labour considering the stink of corruption that goes to the core of Glasgow Labour council.

      Oh, hang on, I remember, most people know nothing of the corruption in Glasgow Labour council, as our ‘state’ broadcaster chooses to make no mention of it whatsoever, despite the fact that it is based in Glasgow.

      If you only watched the BBC, and believed what they told you, you too would likely think Labour were good for Glasgow.

    • People are free to vote for whoever they wish, however, I do wonder why so many people in Glasgow still vote Labour considering the stink of corruption that goes to the core of Glasgow Labour council.

      Oh, hang on, I remember, most people know nothing of the corruption in Glasgow Labour council, as our ‘state’ broadcaster chooses to make no mention of it whatsoever, despite the fact that it is based in Glasgow.

      If you only watched the BBC, and believed what they told you, you too would likely think Labour were good for Glasgow.

    • [quote name=”proudscot”]Congrats to the Labour voters in Glasgow – NOT! Keep voting for anything sporting a red rosette, and like the Tommies in the First World War, you’ll continue to be “lions led by donkeys!”[/quote]

      I don’t think sarcasm is called for. The poor people of Glasgow have been hoodwinked again by Labour promises of jam tomorrow. Wonder if they are right now carving up the ALEO directorships among themselves.

      Remember the old maxim – you can fool some people some of the time…

      Labour’s time in Glasgow will come. Does anyone expect that GCC will be seeking to do anything to improve any of the life indicators that are so awful in Glasgow – life expectancy, health outcomes, education, housing, employment, you name it, what have Glasgow Labour ever done to improve things, what do they offer now that is so different?

    • [quote name=”proudscot”]Congrats to the Labour voters in Glasgow – NOT! Keep voting for anything sporting a red rosette, and like the Tommies in the First World War, you’ll continue to be “lions led by donkeys!”[/quote]

      I don’t think sarcasm is called for. The poor people of Glasgow have been hoodwinked again by Labour promises of jam tomorrow. Wonder if they are right now carving up the ALEO directorships among themselves.

      Remember the old maxim – you can fool some people some of the time…

      Labour’s time in Glasgow will come. Does anyone expect that GCC will be seeking to do anything to improve any of the life indicators that are so awful in Glasgow – life expectancy, health outcomes, education, housing, employment, you name it, what have Glasgow Labour ever done to improve things, what do they offer now that is so different?

    • [quote name=”proudscot”]Congrats to the Labour voters in Glasgow – NOT! Keep voting for anything sporting a red rosette, and like the Tommies in the First World War, you’ll continue to be “lions led by donkeys!”[/quote]

      I don’t think sarcasm is called for. The poor people of Glasgow have been hoodwinked again by Labour promises of jam tomorrow. Wonder if they are right now carving up the ALEO directorships among themselves.

      Remember the old maxim – you can fool some people some of the time…

      Labour’s time in Glasgow will come. Does anyone expect that GCC will be seeking to do anything to improve any of the life indicators that are so awful in Glasgow – life expectancy, health outcomes, education, housing, employment, you name it, what have Glasgow Labour ever done to improve things, what do they offer now that is so different?

  104. Congrats to the Labour voters in Glasgow – NOT! Keep voting for anything sporting a red rosette, and like the Tommies in the First World War, you’ll continue to be “lions led by donkeys!”

  105. Congrats to the Labour voters in Glasgow – NOT! Keep voting for anything sporting a red rosette, and like the Tommies in the First World War, you’ll continue to be “lions led by donkeys!”

  106. Michael Crick ‏ @MichaelLCrick
    Ian Davidson, Lab MP for Glasgow SW on Glasgow results: “This is astonishing. The SNP have been well f*****!”

  107. Michael Crick ‏ @MichaelLCrick
    Ian Davidson, Lab MP for Glasgow SW on Glasgow results: “This is astonishing. The SNP have been well f*****!”

  108. Michael Crick ‏ @MichaelLCrick
    Ian Davidson, Lab MP for Glasgow SW on Glasgow results: “This is astonishing. The SNP have been well f*****!”

  109. I’m not downheartened and neither should anyone else be. The difference from last year is that there is no statutory right of reply, which has given the unionists and their MSM fellow travellers free rein to spew their negative bile. As already mentioned, we have had relentless anti-SNP drivel for the last three or four weeks, which the press has gleefully reported on a totally selective basis. Despite this, the vote has held up and increased.

    Once we get into the referendum campaign, things will be different.

    In the meantime, a dual strategy of positively talking up Scotland’s bright future AND refuting unionist negativity with facts, facts, facts should be everyone’s priority.

    Onwards to 2014!

    • Exactly.

      We now have 2 years to make sure OUR media is more powerful and diminishes the lies of the London run BBC.

      It is now clear, that Scotland will need to have foreign monitors in place for the referendum, to ensure the BBC does NOT carry on with its clear propagandist role against independence and the SNP.

      I might add, the SNP in my opinion need to bolster their media management team, to aggressively and permanently challenge the BBC Labour party lies.

    • Exactly.

      We now have 2 years to make sure OUR media is more powerful and diminishes the lies of the London run BBC.

      It is now clear, that Scotland will need to have foreign monitors in place for the referendum, to ensure the BBC does NOT carry on with its clear propagandist role against independence and the SNP.

      I might add, the SNP in my opinion need to bolster their media management team, to aggressively and permanently challenge the BBC Labour party lies.

  110. I’m not downheartened and neither should anyone else be. The difference from last year is that there is no statutory right of reply, which has given the unionists and their MSM fellow travellers free rein to spew their negative bile. As already mentioned, we have had relentless anti-SNP drivel for the last three or four weeks, which the press has gleefully reported on a totally selective basis. Despite this, the vote has held up and increased.

    Once we get into the referendum campaign, things will be different.

    In the meantime, a dual strategy of positively talking up Scotland’s bright future AND refuting unionist negativity with facts, facts, facts should be everyone’s priority.

    Onwards to 2014!

  111. I’m not downheartened and neither should anyone else be. The difference from last year is that there is no statutory right of reply, which has given the unionists and their MSM fellow travellers free rein to spew their negative bile. As already mentioned, we have had relentless anti-SNP drivel for the last three or four weeks, which the press has gleefully reported on a totally selective basis. Despite this, the vote has held up and increased.

    Once we get into the referendum campaign, things will be different.

    In the meantime, a dual strategy of positively talking up Scotland’s bright future AND refuting unionist negativity with facts, facts, facts should be everyone’s priority.

    Onwards to 2014!

  112. Elizabeth Lloyd ‏ @eliz_lloyd
    So far I hear it’s SNP up 32 across the country, lab on 10 and the libs down 44 #sc12 #bbcvote2012

    Retweeted by Stewart Hosie

  113. Elizabeth Lloyd ‏ @eliz_lloyd
    So far I hear it’s SNP up 32 across the country, lab on 10 and the libs down 44 #sc12 #bbcvote2012

    Retweeted by Stewart Hosie

  114. Elizabeth Lloyd ‏ @eliz_lloyd
    So far I hear it’s SNP up 32 across the country, lab on 10 and the libs down 44 #sc12 #bbcvote2012

    Retweeted by Stewart Hosie

  115. The lesson which seems to be emerging here (a not unexpected one) is that while we face a pan-Unionist party alliance which the STV system helps to shore up, we absolutely must set about decoupling the independence issue from one party and one man (as the BBC et al are keen not to do).

  116. The lesson which seems to be emerging here (a not unexpected one) is that while we face a pan-Unionist party alliance which the STV system helps to shore up, we absolutely must set about decoupling the independence issue from one party and one man (as the BBC et al are keen not to do).

  117. The lesson which seems to be emerging here (a not unexpected one) is that while we face a pan-Unionist party alliance which the STV system helps to shore up, we absolutely must set about decoupling the independence issue from one party and one man (as the BBC et al are keen not to do).

  118. Not too worried about the Glasgow result. The people of Glasgow will get the representation that they desire (hell mend them). To be in Government for 5 years and still be increasing number of councillors is astonishing.

    Next time we all sit here waiting for results it will be for the big one and I for one can’t wait!!

      • [quote name=”Jim1320″]I think, may be wrong, that we have the Euro elections next year.[/quote]
        Darn yes you are right…

      • [quote name=”Jim1320″]I think, may be wrong, that we have the Euro elections next year.[/quote]
        Darn yes you are right…

    • [quote name=”iReferee”]Not too worried about the Glasgow result. The people of Glasgow will get the representation that they desire (hell mend them). To be in Government for 5 years and still be increasing number of councillors is astonishing.

      Next time we all sit here waiting for results it will be for the big one and I for one can’t wait!![/quote]

      Are the euro elections not next year- that will be a good bellweather as it will be a whole of Scotland poll.

    • [quote name=”iReferee”]Not too worried about the Glasgow result. The people of Glasgow will get the representation that they desire (hell mend them). To be in Government for 5 years and still be increasing number of councillors is astonishing.

      Next time we all sit here waiting for results it will be for the big one and I for one can’t wait!![/quote]

      Are the euro elections not next year- that will be a good bellweather as it will be a whole of Scotland poll.

  119. Not too worried about the Glasgow result. The people of Glasgow will get the representation that they desire (hell mend them). To be in Government for 5 years and still be increasing number of councillors is astonishing.

    Next time we all sit here waiting for results it will be for the big one and I for one can’t wait!!

  120. Not too worried about the Glasgow result. The people of Glasgow will get the representation that they desire (hell mend them). To be in Government for 5 years and still be increasing number of councillors is astonishing.

    Next time we all sit here waiting for results it will be for the big one and I for one can’t wait!!

  121. Based on complete (8/32 on BBC tables)declarations so far the relative vote shares for each of the main parties looks just like May 2011 albeit lower by *0.7 as 30% of councillors are independents. Lots of independents is perfectly normal for council elections.

    If this pattern continues, then we should all be happy enough.

      • Yes, the problem with poll data (which is what we have to go on) is that it is for Holyrood or UKGE. I’ve never seen a local elections poll for Scotland.

        At the moment, if you take out the independents, the SNP share is looking just like its holyrood share, which is the real barometer.

        Still 21 to declare fully (BBC site) mind!

      • Yes, the problem with poll data (which is what we have to go on) is that it is for Holyrood or UKGE. I’ve never seen a local elections poll for Scotland.

        At the moment, if you take out the independents, the SNP share is looking just like its holyrood share, which is the real barometer.

        Still 21 to declare fully (BBC site) mind!

  122. Based on complete (8/32 on BBC tables)declarations so far the relative vote shares for each of the main parties looks just like May 2011 albeit lower by *0.7 as 30% of councillors are independents. Lots of independents is perfectly normal for council elections.

    If this pattern continues, then we should all be happy enough.

  123. Based on complete (8/32 on BBC tables)declarations so far the relative vote shares for each of the main parties looks just like May 2011 albeit lower by *0.7 as 30% of councillors are independents. Lots of independents is perfectly normal for council elections.

    If this pattern continues, then we should all be happy enough.

  124. A little light relief…

    Philip Oltermann ‏ @philipoltermann
    Breaking: Penguin who beat LibDems in Edinburgh and polar bear who beat Tories in Liverpool in coalition talks, but said to be poles apart

  125. A little light relief…

    Philip Oltermann ‏ @philipoltermann
    Breaking: Penguin who beat LibDems in Edinburgh and polar bear who beat Tories in Liverpool in coalition talks, but said to be poles apart

  126. fife looks rigged with reports that majority of postal votes given to labour which is very unusual!

    • [quote name=”daveniz”]fife looks rigged with reports that majority of postal votes given to labour which is very unusual![/quote]

      What’s unusual about postal votes going to Labour???

    • [quote name=”daveniz”]fife looks rigged with reports that majority of postal votes given to labour which is very unusual![/quote]

      What’s unusual about postal votes going to Labour???

  127. fife looks rigged with reports that majority of postal votes given to labour which is very unusual!

  128. well there saying that some of the postal votes for some wards out weigh the number of people in the ward! I hope its true then labour will have been caught red handed!

  129. well there saying that some of the postal votes for some wards out weigh the number of people in the ward! I hope its true then labour will have been caught red handed!

  130. SNP seem to have done well in Aberdeenshire, Perth, Dundee and Edinburgh. In fact the only slight disappointment is there was not a slightly stronger showing in Glasgow. All in though not bad. Not bad at all.

  131. SNP seem to have done well in Aberdeenshire, Perth, Dundee and Edinburgh. In fact the only slight disappointment is there was not a slightly stronger showing in Glasgow. All in though not bad. Not bad at all.

  132. Michael Crick ‏ @MichaelLCrick
    Glasgow Partick West ward (4 seats): Lab 1; SNP 2; Green 1. SNP gain 1 from LD

  133. Michael Crick ‏ @MichaelLCrick
    Glasgow Partick West ward (4 seats): Lab 1; SNP 2; Green 1. SNP gain 1 from LD

  134. The MSM rhetoric after Salmond ‘accused’ and SNP ‘attacked’ will now be SNP ‘expected’ to win, but SNP ‘failed’ to win

    The suffocating negativity over the next two weeks will be of SNP ‘disappointed’ SNP ‘failure’… to win Glasgow, to win North Lanarkshire, to make significant inroads into Labour, SNP increase only because of Lib Dem collapse… it’s all there scripted and ready to go. While Labour would be seen as the folk heroes hanging on in there for the ordinary working Scot.

  135. The MSM rhetoric after Salmond ‘accused’ and SNP ‘attacked’ will now be SNP ‘expected’ to win, but SNP ‘failed’ to win

    The suffocating negativity over the next two weeks will be of SNP ‘disappointed’ SNP ‘failure’… to win Glasgow, to win North Lanarkshire, to make significant inroads into Labour, SNP increase only because of Lib Dem collapse… it’s all there scripted and ready to go. While Labour would be seen as the folk heroes hanging on in there for the ordinary working Scot.

    • I really hope so. It’s hard to get decent summary information. The BBC and Herald tickers are OK for what they are, but does anyone have a decent summary table that’s up to date?

      Edit: Just found one here: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/vote2012/council/scotland.stm[/url]

    • I really hope so. It’s hard to get decent summary information. The BBC and Herald tickers are OK for what they are, but does anyone have a decent summary table that’s up to date?

      Edit: Just found one here: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/vote2012/council/scotland.stm[/url]

    • [quote name=”scottish_skier”]It appears the SNP have full control Angus.[/quote]
      and Dundee as well

        • DUNDEE overall majority!.Results.
          Scottish National Party 55.2% 16 UP 2
          Labour 34.5% 10 UP 2
          Conservative 3.4% 1 DOWN 2
          Liberal Democrat 3.4% 1 DOWN 1
          Others 3.4% 1 DOWN 1

          • Have always had a soft spot for Dundee and its people!

            Look at those LD/Con figures!

          • I’m from Glasgow.Working,and at Uni here.
            5 year course!
            SNP % is staggering.
            However,no complacency permitted!

          • I’m from Glasgow.Working,and at Uni here.
            5 year course!
            SNP % is staggering.
            However,no complacency permitted!

          • Have always had a soft spot for Dundee and its people!

            Look at those LD/Con figures!

          • [quote name=”Dundonian West”]DUNDEE overall majority!.Results.
            Scottish National Party 55.2% 16 UP 2
            Labour 34.5% 10 UP 2
            Conservative 3.4% 1 DOWN 2
            Liberal Democrat 3.4% 1 DOWN 1
            Others 3.4% 1 DOWN 1[/quote]
            Dundee city and it’s citizens have went through hard times in the past decades but notwithstanding that I salute the people of my home town to have foresight and the aspiration to vote for a better future. I and truly believe that the SNP will lead them to a much deserved better future.

          • [quote name=”Dundonian West”]DUNDEE overall majority!.Results.
            Scottish National Party 55.2% 16 UP 2
            Labour 34.5% 10 UP 2
            Conservative 3.4% 1 DOWN 2
            Liberal Democrat 3.4% 1 DOWN 1
            Others 3.4% 1 DOWN 1[/quote]
            Dundee city and it’s citizens have went through hard times in the past decades but notwithstanding that I salute the people of my home town to have foresight and the aspiration to vote for a better future. I and truly believe that the SNP will lead them to a much deserved better future.

        • DUNDEE overall majority!.Results.
          Scottish National Party 55.2% 16 UP 2
          Labour 34.5% 10 UP 2
          Conservative 3.4% 1 DOWN 2
          Liberal Democrat 3.4% 1 DOWN 1
          Others 3.4% 1 DOWN 1

    • [quote name=”scottish_skier”]It appears the SNP have full control Angus.[/quote]
      and Dundee as well

  136. BTW folks, in independence polls, Glasgow generally always has a majority for YES, so don’t worry if the SNP don’t take control, we can still rely on Glasgow saying yes.

    Nearly halfway there and voting patterns look almost identical to Holyrood when you remove the independents.

  137. BTW folks, in independence polls, Glasgow generally always has a majority for YES, so don’t worry if the SNP don’t take control, we can still rely on Glasgow saying yes.

    Nearly halfway there and voting patterns look almost identical to Holyrood when you remove the independents.

  138. I’m a bit worried about Fife, I’m hearing Labour are picking up the Lib Dem vote.

    Last I heard, about an hour ago was Labour 21, SNP 12, Lib Dem 3, Indy 2.

    Any news?

  139. I’m a bit worried about Fife, I’m hearing Labour are picking up the Lib Dem vote.

    Last I heard, about an hour ago was Labour 21, SNP 12, Lib Dem 3, Indy 2.

    Any news?

  140. Having looked around a bit more, these are not so bad results. BUT …

    Here’s the thing, Glasgow was THE Labour worry. I think they could care less about the rest of Scotland, so it’s strange (at least to me) how well their vote has held, and indeed increased. I really, REALLY. [b]REALLY[/b] want to see the postal voting records.

    Will these be released, or are the votes so mixed in with the actual “on-the-day” poll, that it is impossible to identify them?

    Does anyone know?

      • Probably because the majority of voters in Glasgow have been voting for Labour since the Shipyards were major employers. They vote for Labour simply because Labour is the party they vote for.

      • Probably because the majority of voters in Glasgow have been voting for Labour since the Shipyards were major employers. They vote for Labour simply because Labour is the party they vote for.

    • I’m sure there’s a calculation using £0.60 as the divisor that might give an indication, if somebody can get hold of suitable accounts!

    • I’m sure there’s a calculation using £0.60 as the divisor that might give an indication, if somebody can get hold of suitable accounts!

  141. Having looked around a bit more, these are not so bad results. BUT …

    Here’s the thing, Glasgow was THE Labour worry. I think they could care less about the rest of Scotland, so it’s strange (at least to me) how well their vote has held, and indeed increased. I really, REALLY. [b]REALLY[/b] want to see the postal voting records.

    Will these be released, or are the votes so mixed in with the actual “on-the-day” poll, that it is impossible to identify them?

    Does anyone know?

  142. Is it not an indication of how far we’ve came,that winning the most votes,gaining the most councillors is somehow not that great?…..I would imagine that Labour have bottomed out in Scotland,but that of all the Unionist Parties, their voters pro Union stance is the softest,and that it’s game on for 2014.

  143. Is it not an indication of how far we’ve came,that winning the most votes,gaining the most councillors is somehow not that great?…..I would imagine that Labour have bottomed out in Scotland,but that of all the Unionist Parties, their voters pro Union stance is the softest,and that it’s game on for 2014.

  144. Actually, these are very good results so far. Perhaps I also fell into the obsession with Glasgow syndrome! According to the rolling BBC site [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/vote2012/council/scotland.stm[/url]:

    at 14.52
    SNP: + 2 councils (that’s 2 gains)and + 21 Councilors
    LAB: + 1 and + 14

    • Pretty much all the Beeb’s focus seems to revolve around the Glasgow result which is a bit obsessive considering 85% of the country lives elsewhere, Curtice’s analysis is becoming increasingly myopic and forced too.

    • Pretty much all the Beeb’s focus seems to revolve around the Glasgow result which is a bit obsessive considering 85% of the country lives elsewhere, Curtice’s analysis is becoming increasingly myopic and forced too.

  145. Actually, these are very good results so far. Perhaps I also fell into the obsession with Glasgow syndrome! According to the rolling BBC site [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/vote2012/council/scotland.stm[/url]:

    at 14.52
    SNP: + 2 councils (that’s 2 gains)and + 21 Councilors
    LAB: + 1 and + 14

  146. Living in North Ayrshire delighted to say that the SNP are now the biggest party by one seat.

    Hopefully the 6 independents will do the decent thing and not prop up the Labour party.

  147. Living in North Ayrshire delighted to say that the SNP are now the biggest party by one seat.

    Hopefully the 6 independents will do the decent thing and not prop up the Labour party.

  148. Funny how the BBC political expert aka labour placeman Curtis has never mentioned in his reports how unusual it is for an incumbent government i.e. SNP gaining seats which usually the opposite, similar to the incumbent con/lib uk government which has been decimated.

  149. Funny how the BBC political expert aka labour placeman Curtis has never mentioned in his reports how unusual it is for an incumbent government i.e. SNP gaining seats which usually the opposite, similar to the incumbent con/lib uk government which has been decimated.

  150. SNP still sitting on 46% share when you remove the independents. Mood the same as May 11 albeit people voting for popular local independents rather than parties as is always the case at council level.

    • I wish someone would explain this to Prof Curtice who seems to be insistent on comparing apples with oranges.

      • Aye, so far in terms of relative share of councillors SNP are up a good margin, Labour down a tad, cons no real change and the Libs up doo-doo creek.

      • Aye, so far in terms of relative share of councillors SNP are up a good margin, Labour down a tad, cons no real change and the Libs up doo-doo creek.

    • I wish someone would explain this to Prof Curtice who seems to be insistent on comparing apples with oranges.

  151. SNP still sitting on 46% share when you remove the independents. Mood the same as May 11 albeit people voting for popular local independents rather than parties as is always the case at council level.

  152. I’m somewhat confused by the BBC results analysis. So far the SNP have the most seats and the most gains yet Labour are performing better?

  153. I’m somewhat confused by the BBC results analysis. So far the SNP have the most seats and the most gains yet Labour are performing better?

  154. According to the BBC
    “There’s a ‘technical problem with software’ at the Glasgow count. Officials say it won’t affect the data. They are rebooting.”

    I do hope the SNP are paying attention.

    • Maybe there’s an integer overflow in the number of postal ballots?

      Or maybe a hack has been discovered!

    • Maybe there’s an integer overflow in the number of postal ballots?

      Or maybe a hack has been discovered!

  155. According to the BBC
    “There’s a ‘technical problem with software’ at the Glasgow count. Officials say it won’t affect the data. They are rebooting.”

    I do hope the SNP are paying attention.

  156. 1502[quote]The BBC’s James Cook says: “There’s a ‘technical problem with software’ at the Glasgow count. Officials say it won’t affect the data. They are rebooting.”[/quote]

  157. 1502[quote]The BBC’s James Cook says: “There’s a ‘technical problem with software’ at the Glasgow count. Officials say it won’t affect the data. They are rebooting.”[/quote]

  158. We need to remember also that Labour lost 161 councillers in 2007 and the SNP won 182 more, while we are seeing Labour win some of those votes back we are also seeing the SNP not only consolodate their gains in 2007 but also increase their share.

    Seems to me that the 30% of people who consistently vote are hardening around an SNP v Labour bloc with an eye perhaps on the referendum.

    On a personal note, its been a decent showing for the Greens so far all considering. I’m still hoping for some gains though.

  159. We need to remember also that Labour lost 161 councillers in 2007 and the SNP won 182 more, while we are seeing Labour win some of those votes back we are also seeing the SNP not only consolodate their gains in 2007 but also increase their share.

    Seems to me that the 30% of people who consistently vote are hardening around an SNP v Labour bloc with an eye perhaps on the referendum.

    On a personal note, its been a decent showing for the Greens so far all considering. I’m still hoping for some gains though.

  160. as someone living in renfrewshire, today is not a good day. god only knows what labour will get up to over the next few years.
    also finding it difficult to stomach the gloating on the BBC
    not happy in the slightest.
    Sid

    • Sid don’t be downhearted.Alex Salmond was saying on BBC a couple of hours ago—it’ll be very interesting to know the FIRST PREFERENCE VOTES when all the counting is complete.
      There’s a lot of good news out there for a government in power for 5 years.

    • Sid don’t be downhearted.Alex Salmond was saying on BBC a couple of hours ago—it’ll be very interesting to know the FIRST PREFERENCE VOTES when all the counting is complete.
      There’s a lot of good news out there for a government in power for 5 years.

  161. as someone living in renfrewshire, today is not a good day. god only knows what labour will get up to over the next few years.
    also finding it difficult to stomach the gloating on the BBC
    not happy in the slightest.
    Sid

  162. What happened to the post about the software glitch at the Glasgow count? It’s on the BBC website.

      • Indeed. I joked about a postal vote integer overflow. Maybe somebody discovered an .exe called InflateLabourVote.exe?

        Fully expecting this post to get deleted now…

      • Indeed. I joked about a postal vote integer overflow. Maybe somebody discovered an .exe called InflateLabourVote.exe?

        Fully expecting this post to get deleted now…

  163. What happened to the post about the software glitch at the Glasgow count? It’s on the BBC website.

  164. When we consider the vile attempts by the MSM and the dirty tricks department of the Labour Party with their incessant barrage of mud slinging designed to discredit the first minister and to prevent people for voting for the SNP it is pleasing to note that their efforts have largely been in vain.

    However suspicions have been aroused in Glasgow where it would certainly be interesting to be able to analyse the postal votes there, unless they get lost after the elections.

    Well done the SNP.

  165. When we consider the vile attempts by the MSM and the dirty tricks department of the Labour Party with their incessant barrage of mud slinging designed to discredit the first minister and to prevent people for voting for the SNP it is pleasing to note that their efforts have largely been in vain.

    However suspicions have been aroused in Glasgow where it would certainly be interesting to be able to analyse the postal votes there, unless they get lost after the elections.

    Well done the SNP.

  166. Great news in my ward of Wigtown West. Labour have recieved less first preference votes than any other party!

  167. Great news in my ward of Wigtown West. Labour have recieved less first preference votes than any other party!

  168. Bit of a ‘gardens project’ protest vote helping Labour in Aberdeen? Up 9 seats, SNP no change.

    • Aye, and the fact that the SNP have been in power there.

      Labour pledged to overturn the democratic referendum on the Union Street Gardens if they got into power.

      Great. Let’s vote for a party that promises to flaunt democracy. Apparently voters in Aberdeen fell for it.

      • Many of us in Aberdeen did not consider the City Gardens Project to be a democratic referendum.

        One side had unlimited funding and media support.

        • OK, I take your point, especially because I’m not in Aberdeen. 😉 (If I was, I’d probably voted against the new plans.)

          The other thing I hear a lot about is the bypass. And the SNP was in power in Aberdeen, so two such contentious local issues should’ve demolished them – but didn’t.

        • OK, I take your point, especially because I’m not in Aberdeen. 😉 (If I was, I’d probably voted against the new plans.)

          The other thing I hear a lot about is the bypass. And the SNP was in power in Aberdeen, so two such contentious local issues should’ve demolished them – but didn’t.

      • Many of us in Aberdeen did not consider the City Gardens Project to be a democratic referendum.

        One side had unlimited funding and media support.

    • Aye, and the fact that the SNP have been in power there.

      Labour pledged to overturn the democratic referendum on the Union Street Gardens if they got into power.

      Great. Let’s vote for a party that promises to flaunt democracy. Apparently voters in Aberdeen fell for it.

    • Ex Council Leader and current Planning and Infrastructure Committee Convenor Kate Dean also lost her seat. Can’t say I’m surprised as she was a BIG supporter of the City Garden Project.

      While the SNP didn’t lose any seats in Aberdeen, the vote would suggest a lot of people are unhappy with local decisions as I have predicted before.

      And no, I did not vote against the SNP in spite of being very unhappy with local issues.

    • Ex Council Leader and current Planning and Infrastructure Committee Convenor Kate Dean also lost her seat. Can’t say I’m surprised as she was a BIG supporter of the City Garden Project.

      While the SNP didn’t lose any seats in Aberdeen, the vote would suggest a lot of people are unhappy with local decisions as I have predicted before.

      And no, I did not vote against the SNP in spite of being very unhappy with local issues.

  169. Bit of a ‘gardens project’ protest vote helping Labour in Aberdeen? Up 9 seats, SNP no change.

  170. Overall, a good day for the SNP – the government party [i]gaining [/i]- and also for Slab, holding on or gaining. Dismal for Tories and LibDems. Good for the Greens. Plenty of independents (though, exactly how [i]independent [/i]are they?)

    The BBC/MSM spinning this as a bad day for the SNP since they didn’t win majority in Glasgow.

    Just imagine if the MSM in Scotland was truly impartial. The headlines… SNP takes Dundee, Angus… Government party makes gains, unlike south of the border… Labour holds on.

  171. Overall, a good day for the SNP – the government party [i]gaining [/i]- and also for Slab, holding on or gaining. Dismal for Tories and LibDems. Good for the Greens. Plenty of independents (though, exactly how [i]independent [/i]are they?)

    The BBC/MSM spinning this as a bad day for the SNP since they didn’t win majority in Glasgow.

    Just imagine if the MSM in Scotland was truly impartial. The headlines… SNP takes Dundee, Angus… Government party makes gains, unlike south of the border… Labour holds on.

  172. Tweet from @theSNP

    SNP on 350 seats, up 50 on 2007. Making progress north, east, south and west. #scotlandsparty #sc12

  173. Tweet from @theSNP

    SNP on 350 seats, up 50 on 2007. Making progress north, east, south and west. #scotlandsparty #sc12

  174. Brian Taylor’s blog reasonably balanced today. Wonder what he thinks of his Dundee going SNP?

    • I listened to Brian on the radio today and his summing up was very fair and there was no sign of bias.

      Which is how it [i]should [/i] be.

      Thanks, Brian.

    • I listened to Brian on the radio today and his summing up was very fair and there was no sign of bias.

      Which is how it [i]should [/i] be.

      Thanks, Brian.

    • I’m just glad he’s an Arab. I couldn’t stomach seeing him at Dens!

      I’m very happy my city seems to have ignored the media smear campaign.

    • I’m just glad he’s an Arab. I couldn’t stomach seeing him at Dens!

      I’m very happy my city seems to have ignored the media smear campaign.

    • Listened to Brian on digital (online) radio today, and he seemed fairly balanced and informative. Of course allowing for his inate unionist/Labour bias. But he wasn’t too bad, to give credit where it’s due.

      His guests/interviewees and some other BBC journalists were less so.

    • Listened to Brian on digital (online) radio today, and he seemed fairly balanced and informative. Of course allowing for his inate unionist/Labour bias. But he wasn’t too bad, to give credit where it’s due.

      His guests/interviewees and some other BBC journalists were less so.

    • Thought Brian has been one of the better commentators today too. Intelligent analysis and pretty fair. If only it was always like this. I don’t want an SNP bias I just want neutrality.

    • Thought Brian has been one of the better commentators today too. Intelligent analysis and pretty fair. If only it was always like this. I don’t want an SNP bias I just want neutrality.

  175. Brian Taylor’s blog reasonably balanced today. Wonder what he thinks of his Dundee going SNP?

  176. BBC ticker:

    “1538:

    Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont arrives at the Glasgow count, and is mobbed by party supports, say BBC journalists Raymond Buchanan and James Cook.”

    “mobbed”, not sure if that’s good or bad!

  177. BBC ticker:

    “1538:

    Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont arrives at the Glasgow count, and is mobbed by party supports, say BBC journalists Raymond Buchanan and James Cook.”

    “mobbed”, not sure if that’s good or bad!

  178. That’s it! I’m finally convinced of BBC bias. Just listened to digital BBC Radio Scotland, Laura Bicker (? didn’t quite catch her name) in North Lanarkshire interviewing the local SNP MSP (James Dornan?)after the SNP did well, as did Slab, and dredging up the Forth Bridge steel contracts ::bangs head against wall:: The SNP MSP did his best to point out that that kind of steel is no longer manufactured in Scotland (thanks to Thatcher et al.) but the BBC chirpy harpy didn’t even listen, just went on and tried to spin it that the SNP lost the election – they didn’t, they held.

    :: bangs head agaist wall::

  179. That’s it! I’m finally convinced of BBC bias. Just listened to digital BBC Radio Scotland, Laura Bicker (? didn’t quite catch her name) in North Lanarkshire interviewing the local SNP MSP (James Dornan?)after the SNP did well, as did Slab, and dredging up the Forth Bridge steel contracts ::bangs head against wall:: The SNP MSP did his best to point out that that kind of steel is no longer manufactured in Scotland (thanks to Thatcher et al.) but the BBC chirpy harpy didn’t even listen, just went on and tried to spin it that the SNP lost the election – they didn’t, they held.

    :: bangs head agaist wall::

  180. Things drawing to a finale. 27/32 results n and SNP did well. They have most councilors (325 to Labour’s 281):

    SNP: Council gains +2: Councillor gains +36
    Lab: Council gains +1: Councillor gains +43

    It seems most losses from the LDs went to Labour – Unionistas sticking together?

    Also worth remembering that Labour were starting from a low point from 2007.

    I am pretty happy so far. Fingers crossed for the final results!

    EDIT: Most strange,BBC site suddenly jumped to show SNP 353;LAB 314.

    • A bit out of date. According to the BBC:

      SNP 353 (+40)
      Labour 314 (+44)

      Labour’s +44 is on a smaller base, so from these figures it looks like Labour have gained more, but then it could just be the gaining areas counted earlier.

      LD are down 55 to 52!!!! 4th, behind possibly the weakest Tory leader in Scotland ever.

    • A bit out of date. According to the BBC:

      SNP 353 (+40)
      Labour 314 (+44)

      Labour’s +44 is on a smaller base, so from these figures it looks like Labour have gained more, but then it could just be the gaining areas counted earlier.

      LD are down 55 to 52!!!! 4th, behind possibly the weakest Tory leader in Scotland ever.

  181. Things drawing to a finale. 27/32 results n and SNP did well. They have most councilors (325 to Labour’s 281):

    SNP: Council gains +2: Councillor gains +36
    Lab: Council gains +1: Councillor gains +43

    It seems most losses from the LDs went to Labour – Unionistas sticking together?

    Also worth remembering that Labour were starting from a low point from 2007.

    I am pretty happy so far. Fingers crossed for the final results!

    EDIT: Most strange,BBC site suddenly jumped to show SNP 353;LAB 314.

  182. Glasgow result is disappointing but on the other hand the SNP has made huge progess there. Concerned about the result in Nicola’s ward though.

    The one that I think we should learn a big lesson from is Aberdeen.

    • Yeah, any idea what happened in Govan? Some sort of protest vote surrounding Rangers’ predicament maybe?

      • You can see Labour going for one controversial local issue and activating the prejudice of their voters. Once it’s sunk in, they don’t need to make any more noise. The speaking silences of Labour.

        It’s no way to govern but it’s a clever way to win elections. You don’t even need policies.

      • You can see Labour going for one controversial local issue and activating the prejudice of their voters. Once it’s sunk in, they don’t need to make any more noise. The speaking silences of Labour.

        It’s no way to govern but it’s a clever way to win elections. You don’t even need policies.

    • Yeah, any idea what happened in Govan? Some sort of protest vote surrounding Rangers’ predicament maybe?

  183. Glasgow result is disappointing but on the other hand the SNP has made huge progess there. Concerned about the result in Nicola’s ward though.

    The one that I think we should learn a big lesson from is Aberdeen.

  184. Could someone not help out the BBC?

    The governing party in Scotland has despite 5 years incumbency continued to make gains.

    The BBC regrettably are tasked with news managing this happy result into a failure.

    These pesky graphics with the annoying yellow fringe party at the top are not assisting the spinning one bit.

    Who’d be a BBC journalist?

  185. Could someone not help out the BBC?

    The governing party in Scotland has despite 5 years incumbency continued to make gains.

    The BBC regrettably are tasked with news managing this happy result into a failure.

    These pesky graphics with the annoying yellow fringe party at the top are not assisting the spinning one bit.

    Who’d be a BBC journalist?

  186. Poor Oor Wullie!

    “Scottish Liberal Democrat Leader Willie Rennie says the council election results have destroyed the “myth that we were in the coalition for ourselves”.”

    What is he saying here? They knew that going into coalition with the Tories would destroy them, and since they HAVE been destroyed, this shows that they had integrity in doing it anyway, as a sort of sacrifice? Absolutely hilarious.

  187. Poor Oor Wullie!

    “Scottish Liberal Democrat Leader Willie Rennie says the council election results have destroyed the “myth that we were in the coalition for ourselves”.”

    What is he saying here? They knew that going into coalition with the Tories would destroy them, and since they HAVE been destroyed, this shows that they had integrity in doing it anyway, as a sort of sacrifice? Absolutely hilarious.

  188. Worth repeating – For the benefit of the BBC Scotland “journalists” – prior to the 2007 election Labour had over 500 seats. They lost 161 in 2007 to fall to 348; there lowest election for decades. So they really are starting 2012 from a low level.

    The SNP on the other hand are trying to gain from a position of being in government for 5 years AND from an already high base point of 363 seats, which it looks like they will comfortably pass.

    So, BBC, can we have an objective discussion on Newsnicht?

  189. Worth repeating – For the benefit of the BBC Scotland “journalists” – prior to the 2007 election Labour had over 500 seats. They lost 161 in 2007 to fall to 348; there lowest election for decades. So they really are starting 2012 from a low level.

    The SNP on the other hand are trying to gain from a position of being in government for 5 years AND from an already high base point of 363 seats, which it looks like they will comfortably pass.

    So, BBC, can we have an objective discussion on Newsnicht?

  190. It’s going to be a hard one for Newnicht because both the big beasts of Scottish politics have had a good day. The real story is the Coalition implosion but will it get more than thirty seconds coverage before Johann is invited to demonstrate her ant-Nat gurning skills.

  191. It’s going to be a hard one for Newnicht because both the big beasts of Scottish politics have had a good day. The real story is the Coalition implosion but will it get more than thirty seconds coverage before Johann is invited to demonstrate her ant-Nat gurning skills.

  192. One thing we can see from this election if your listening to Radio Scotland is where its presenters political leanings are. The glee in some of their voices at the SNP’s not gaining Glasgow is there for all to see. We might not have gotten the results we wanted overall but even though the battle might be over we haven’t lost the war yet.

    • I had to turn off my TV as the sun was glinting of Lorraine Davidson’s massive smile and burning a wee hole in my living room wall…

    • I had to turn off my TV as the sun was glinting of Lorraine Davidson’s massive smile and burning a wee hole in my living room wall…

    • I’m not worried at all about Glasgow. It would have been nice to wipe the smiles of Labour’s face but Glasgow will vote for independence anyway – in independence polls it always shows a good majority for yes as I said earlier.

      At the moment I’m waiting on Highland – it should deliver good SNP gains as the Libs take another hit but none for Labour.

    • I’m not worried at all about Glasgow. It would have been nice to wipe the smiles of Labour’s face but Glasgow will vote for independence anyway – in independence polls it always shows a good majority for yes as I said earlier.

      At the moment I’m waiting on Highland – it should deliver good SNP gains as the Libs take another hit but none for Labour.

    • We’ll never lose the ‘war’. We just need to win an independence referendum once.

      The Westminster Executive needs to prevent such a ‘skirmish’ happening all the time, and win every one that they fail to ‘defuse’.

    • We’ll never lose the ‘war’. We just need to win an independence referendum once.

      The Westminster Executive needs to prevent such a ‘skirmish’ happening all the time, and win every one that they fail to ‘defuse’.

    • You can just feel the british bumph reporters patting themselves on the back at holding off the SNP challenge in Glasgow through all their smearing and propaganda over the last few weeks. They’ll be thinking they can do the same with the independence referendum. Look out for more (and More and MORE) of the same until 2014.

    • You can just feel the british bumph reporters patting themselves on the back at holding off the SNP challenge in Glasgow through all their smearing and propaganda over the last few weeks. They’ll be thinking they can do the same with the independence referendum. Look out for more (and More and MORE) of the same until 2014.

  193. One thing we can see from this election if your listening to Radio Scotland is where its presenters political leanings are. The glee in some of their voices at the SNP’s not gaining Glasgow is there for all to see. We might not have gotten the results we wanted overall but even though the battle might be over we haven’t lost the war yet.

  194. I see the SNP have 371 seats with four councils still to declare. So they have comfortably passed the 2007 high water mark.

    • Indeed, if anything it’s Labour that have gained from the LD collapse (as in England). But this will be spun as the SNP gaining from the LD collapse.

    • Indeed, if anything it’s Labour that have gained from the LD collapse (as in England). But this will be spun as the SNP gaining from the LD collapse.

    • Not bad considering the Labour muckspreading machine that was driving around last week. They have tried smears this time but it wont happen the next.

    • Not bad considering the Labour muckspreading machine that was driving around last week. They have tried smears this time but it wont happen the next.

  195. I see the SNP have 371 seats with four councils still to declare. So they have comfortably passed the 2007 high water mark.

  196. It will be interesting in Aberdeen with Labour being the biggest party and promising to stop the Union Terrace Gardens project.

      • Not sure Jim, thats what Radio Scotland were saying. I’d think it pretty controversial and sure to upset a lot of folks.

      • Not sure Jim, thats what Radio Scotland were saying. I’d think it pretty controversial and sure to upset a lot of folks.

  197. It will be interesting in Aberdeen with Labour being the biggest party and promising to stop the Union Terrace Gardens project.

  198. Very annoying, the bbc reporter a minute ago when into great depth showing us labour gains in scotland but then refused to show us SNP gains in Dundee and Angus.

  199. Very annoying, the bbc reporter a minute ago when into great depth showing us labour gains in scotland but then refused to show us SNP gains in Dundee and Angus.

  200. Anybody know what the turnout was – snippets show numbers like 42% for Edinburgh. I thought they were forecasting a shocker like 25% this morning.

  201. Anybody know what the turnout was – snippets show numbers like 42% for Edinburgh. I thought they were forecasting a shocker like 25% this morning.

  202. According to Stephen Noon the SNP now has more councillors elected than we had in 2007.

    Will the bad news never end?

    • I know what you mean….

      Stewart Hosie ‏ @StewartHosieMP
      STV reporting that the #SNP have 417 councillors elected so far. Over 50 gains since 2007.

    • I know what you mean….

      Stewart Hosie ‏ @StewartHosieMP
      STV reporting that the #SNP have 417 councillors elected so far. Over 50 gains since 2007.

  203. According to Stephen Noon the SNP now has more councillors elected than we had in 2007.

    Will the bad news never end?

  204. Who’s going to accept blame for SNP result in Glasgow. Hunter? Sturgeon? Mackay? Salmond? Only joking about Salmond obviously!

  205. Who’s going to accept blame for SNP result in Glasgow. Hunter? Sturgeon? Mackay? Salmond? Only joking about Salmond obviously!

  206. The SNP shot themselves in the foot with the UTG debacle,they`ve cost us control of the City which was there for the taking but allowed the opportunistic labour party to take the high ground,this is a fundamental error.
    Knowing how labour would crow about this i voted for the SNP,but make no mistake,Aberdeen will now suffer from labour rule,just like they did up to 2003.the
    SNP blew it,not a happy bunny.

    • I think the SNP and the LibDems in Aberdeen have been lost out over their support for Ian Wood’s “visionary” City Gardens (underground car park) project, the Aberdeen bypass and Trump’s housing and hotel development (with golf course). I don’t think there is as much support for these big bucks projects as they would like us to think. Their arrogant dismissal of opponents of these projects as NIMBYs standing in the road of “progress” has cost them control of the council. I think the election of Martin Ford (the councillor who voted against the controversial Trump development) to the Aberdeenshire council as a Green speaks volumes too.

      • Then explain Aberdeenshire.. Where Trumpton is. 5 miles from me.
        For some unknown reason the Cons and Lib councillors kept their seats when they were nowhere to be seen.

        SNP 1 & 2 and they were the only ones out and about

      • Then explain Aberdeenshire.. Where Trumpton is. 5 miles from me.
        For some unknown reason the Cons and Lib councillors kept their seats when they were nowhere to be seen.

        SNP 1 & 2 and they were the only ones out and about

    • I think the SNP and the LibDems in Aberdeen have been lost out over their support for Ian Wood’s “visionary” City Gardens (underground car park) project, the Aberdeen bypass and Trump’s housing and hotel development (with golf course). I don’t think there is as much support for these big bucks projects as they would like us to think. Their arrogant dismissal of opponents of these projects as NIMBYs standing in the road of “progress” has cost them control of the council. I think the election of Martin Ford (the councillor who voted against the controversial Trump development) to the Aberdeenshire council as a Green speaks volumes too.

  207. The SNP shot themselves in the foot with the UTG debacle,they`ve cost us control of the City which was there for the taking but allowed the opportunistic labour party to take the high ground,this is a fundamental error.
    Knowing how labour would crow about this i voted for the SNP,but make no mistake,Aberdeen will now suffer from labour rule,just like they did up to 2003.the
    SNP blew it,not a happy bunny.

  208. Absolutley annoyed at bbc and stv they were beeming that labour took Glasgow and talked up labours gains while talking down SNP gains even though the SNP have 50+ more new councillors than labour got it seems the second place labour got made to sound like the victors and somehow SNP the losers when that could be further from the truth! SNP 417 councillors so far!

    • I dont remember seeing them drill into one council on the BBC that had SNP gains. Every one that they checked was to display Labour gains.

      I guess they have a national picture to paint (artificially national) and thus are only selecting areas that back that narrative up, despite it being a different narrative in Scotland.

      Basically, good progress for the Greens, decent showing for Labour, regaining at least half of what they lost in 2007 and a decent showing for the SNP, consolodating and increasing support since 2007.

      Lastly, the Lib Dems dire story in Scotland and the Tories maintaining more or less their support.

    • I dont remember seeing them drill into one council on the BBC that had SNP gains. Every one that they checked was to display Labour gains.

      I guess they have a national picture to paint (artificially national) and thus are only selecting areas that back that narrative up, despite it being a different narrative in Scotland.

      Basically, good progress for the Greens, decent showing for Labour, regaining at least half of what they lost in 2007 and a decent showing for the SNP, consolodating and increasing support since 2007.

      Lastly, the Lib Dems dire story in Scotland and the Tories maintaining more or less their support.

  209. Absolutley annoyed at bbc and stv they were beeming that labour took Glasgow and talked up labours gains while talking down SNP gains even though the SNP have 50+ more new councillors than labour got it seems the second place labour got made to sound like the victors and somehow SNP the losers when that could be further from the truth! SNP 417 councillors so far!

  210. Being the eternal optimist amongst you, I see a silver lining in every black cloud.

    The SNP have the highest number of Scottish Councillors but have lost the chance of gaining control of Glasgow City.

    At first glance this is bad news for the SNP but not so! Any council under Labour control will be faced, as will they all, with the further cuts that are planned in future. This may turn out to be a poisoned chalice.

    Now for the big battle. We’ll win that one.

  211. Being the eternal optimist amongst you, I see a silver lining in every black cloud.

    The SNP have the highest number of Scottish Councillors but have lost the chance of gaining control of Glasgow City.

    At first glance this is bad news for the SNP but not so! Any council under Labour control will be faced, as will they all, with the further cuts that are planned in future. This may turn out to be a poisoned chalice.

    Now for the big battle. We’ll win that one.

  212. The people of Glasgow are now a lost cause,I hate to say this but here we have proof that a section of society in Glasgow are ignorant politicaly or otherwise.
    They deserve being left to be shafted by Labour.

    • It was always going to be unlikely that Glasgow was going to be a win. The SNP needed 5 or 6 more seats to ensure NOC. They gained 7 seats on the day. There was a time when Glasgow was a sea of red. The fact that they are cockahoop they retained it shows how much things have changed. Overall it has been a good day for both parties a pretty grim one for the Coalition.

      Shocking turnout in Glasgow though 32%.
      .

    • It was always going to be unlikely that Glasgow was going to be a win. The SNP needed 5 or 6 more seats to ensure NOC. They gained 7 seats on the day. There was a time when Glasgow was a sea of red. The fact that they are cockahoop they retained it shows how much things have changed. Overall it has been a good day for both parties a pretty grim one for the Coalition.

      Shocking turnout in Glasgow though 32%.
      .

    • Glasgow was always a tough nut to crack but it has clearly buckled.

      Dont forget, in 2003 the SNP only won 3 seats to Labours 71 in Glasgow. By 2007 the SNP had won 22 seats to Labours 45 and now in 2012 the SNP have just won 27 seats to Labours 44.

      When we add 5 Greens to that picture too, the days of Labour utterly dominating local Government in Glasgow are close to over.

      • [quote]the days of Labour utterly dominating local Government in Glasgow are close to over.[/quote]

        But they STILL have the majority, and the people of Glasgow will have to suffer at least two years of spoiling tactics against the SNP Government, rather than having their lives improved.

        I repeat my previous question: “What on earth has to change for most people in Glasgow to reject the empty promises of Labour?”

        • As I said previously, less than ten years ago Labour used to return 71 councillors out of around 80 in Glasgow regularly, they now return 44.

          The reason Labour still have a majority is, the party has been utterly dominant in Glasgow politics for decades. It takes time to turnaround such massive initial support, however the trend in the past ten years shows that it is turning.

        • As I said previously, less than ten years ago Labour used to return 71 councillors out of around 80 in Glasgow regularly, they now return 44.

          The reason Labour still have a majority is, the party has been utterly dominant in Glasgow politics for decades. It takes time to turnaround such massive initial support, however the trend in the past ten years shows that it is turning.

      • [quote]the days of Labour utterly dominating local Government in Glasgow are close to over.[/quote]

        But they STILL have the majority, and the people of Glasgow will have to suffer at least two years of spoiling tactics against the SNP Government, rather than having their lives improved.

        I repeat my previous question: “What on earth has to change for most people in Glasgow to reject the empty promises of Labour?”

    • Glasgow was always a tough nut to crack but it has clearly buckled.

      Dont forget, in 2003 the SNP only won 3 seats to Labours 71 in Glasgow. By 2007 the SNP had won 22 seats to Labours 45 and now in 2012 the SNP have just won 27 seats to Labours 44.

      When we add 5 Greens to that picture too, the days of Labour utterly dominating local Government in Glasgow are close to over.

    • That’s a sweeping statement. What you have to consider is that Glasgow have returned 27 SNP Councillors. We’re not a lost cause and I think you should retract that one RGW.

      That’s politics, get used to it. Sometimes you dont win. Dont forget that most of the work is done through the tv and there are factors that didnt help – labour just capitalised on events.

    • That’s a sweeping statement. What you have to consider is that Glasgow have returned 27 SNP Councillors. We’re not a lost cause and I think you should retract that one RGW.

      That’s politics, get used to it. Sometimes you dont win. Dont forget that most of the work is done through the tv and there are factors that didnt help – labour just capitalised on events.

  213. The people of Glasgow are now a lost cause,I hate to say this but here we have proof that a section of society in Glasgow are ignorant politicaly or otherwise.
    They deserve being left to be shafted by Labour.

  214. Congratulations to Glasgow Labour, thanks for keeping us drunk, thanks for keeping us on drugs, thanks for keeping us unhealthy, thanks for keeping us poor, thanks for keeping us religiously divided, thanks for keeping us illiterate, thanks for keeping the roads in appalling condition, thanks for keeping us down. and thanks for keeping us in the early 20th century.

    • First new policy for the SNP government – stop the council tax freeze. Tell all SNP councillors that they should not vote to increase council tax wherever they sit and watch labour and the rest of the unionists put the council tax up next year.

      That’ll keep the labour voters happy in Glasgow, North Lanarkshire and Aberdeen.

      • [quote name=”tartanfever”]First new policy for the SNP government – stop the council tax freeze. Tell all SNP councillors that they should not vote to increase council tax wherever they sit and watch labour and the rest of the unionists put the council tax up next year.

        That’ll keep the labour voters happy in Glasgow, North Lanarkshire and Aberdeen.[/quote]

        Nah, most labour voters don’t pay council tax, they’re on council tax benefits.

        • That is really quite offensive. All labour voters are on benefits?

          Do you have any other caricatures for other parties’ voters to share?